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re: Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:46 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 8/1/16 at 7:46 am to finchmeister08
In the yard, garage, grocery store, driving, in church, etc.....not racked!
When headed out at night, to questionable areas, or when my alarm at the house randomly pops off, most definitely racked.
I am reconsidering having one in the chamber all of the time and having the safety set since my kids are all older and will not fool with my SA carry weapon.
When headed out at night, to questionable areas, or when my alarm at the house randomly pops off, most definitely racked.
I am reconsidering having one in the chamber all of the time and having the safety set since my kids are all older and will not fool with my SA carry weapon.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:03 am to bulldog95
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Semi auto or a wheel gun ?
S&W Shield/No Safety
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:08 am to bapple
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1. The time a semi automatic pistol will malfunction more than any other time is when that first round is being manually racked into the chamber.
2. You may not successfully rack a round under stress. That may mean you short-stroke the slide or ride the slide forward and cause a misfeed. Either way, your handgun is no longer in a fighting condition.
This is very overlooked. My kahr cm9 explicitly says to load using the slide release and not manually racked to ensure enough force to seat the round. Depends on the firearm as to how you want to handle this. I would encourage everyone to carry loaded
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:11 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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i've seen condition 0 and condition 1 mentioned. Where is there a list describing each "condition"?
Concealed Nation
This is the best description I've seen of them so far. To sum up:
Condition 0: full mag, chambered, manual safety off or no safety
Condition 1: full mag, chambered, manual safety on
Condition 2: full mag, chambered, hammer down (this would be "double action mode" for hammer-fired guns)
Condition 3: full mag, empty chamber
Condition 4: no mag, empty chamber
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Glocks have three safeties, trigger safety, firing pin safety and drop safety.
I believe he's referring to active safeties and not passive safeties. Those you list are passive safeties, meaning you don't have to actively disable them when using the firearm. A thumb safety would be an active safety.
But I still disagree with his carrying condition 3 to be the wisest.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:30 am to bapple
I carry without one in the chamber. I practice racking while I draw religiously and the additional time is well under a second.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:33 am to PT24-7
I'm actually quite surprised with the amount of people on this board who lack the confidence to carry chambered.
Know that you invite much more trouble if you have to use your firearm when you add a motion as complex as racking the slide under a moment of extreme stress.
To make a slight parallel, if you have ever shot a deer or remember your first deer you killed, try to remember the adrenaline rush and how you barely remember the recoil or the rifle going off. Now take that adrenaline rush and raise it to 11. That's what levels of stress we are talking about.
Know that you invite much more trouble if you have to use your firearm when you add a motion as complex as racking the slide under a moment of extreme stress.
To make a slight parallel, if you have ever shot a deer or remember your first deer you killed, try to remember the adrenaline rush and how you barely remember the recoil or the rifle going off. Now take that adrenaline rush and raise it to 11. That's what levels of stress we are talking about.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:40 am to bapple
It has nothing to do with my confidence but everything to do with the nature of how I have to carry. I'm constantly having to take my pistol out, change clothes, leave it in a bag, etc. I don't want to risk it being picked up by a child or some one else.
I guess I don't see racking a slide as being very complicated. It's far less complicated than drawing and I practice racking while drawing every time I shoot.
I guess I don't see racking a slide as being very complicated. It's far less complicated than drawing and I practice racking while drawing every time I shoot.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:47 am to TexasTiger13
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If you don't carry with a round in the chamber then you may as well carry a rock.
This.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 8:58 am to PT24-7
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I guess I don't see racking a slide as being very complicated.
Well sure, when you're calm and collect it's easy. Dump your body with adrenaline and you're asking for the gun to malfunction.
Like I said earlier, the time a semi auto handgun will malfunction more than any other time is when you are manually racking that first round. I've watched some armed citizen videos where guys have jammed their guns, dropped out magazines, dropped their guns, etc. when trying to rack a round under stress. With all the things that can go wrong, Murphy will try everything in the universe to make you fumble and stumble, so having an empty chamber just stacks the cards against you.
Plus as stated numerous times, you may not have both hands available. You are severely hamstringing yourself by carrying condition 3.
If you feel the nature of how you carry calls for condition 3 that's fine. But you can't realistically argue that it provides the exact same benefit of speed and capabilities as carrying condition 1 or 0. Those will be faster 100% of the time.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:15 am to finchmeister08
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S&W Shield/No Safety
I'll tell you that my Shield is the only handgun I've owned that is easy to have a round out of battery. Maybe it's because I haven't properly worn in the spring yet, but if you ride that slide forward at all, it won't go into battery without some extra help. That, for me, is enough reason to have one in the chamber and ready to go.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:24 am to bapple
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Know that you invite much more trouble if you have to use your firearm when you add a motion as complex as racking the slide under a moment of extreme stress.
I want as simplified manual of arms (MOA) as I can get away with. Choosing to go armed is choosing to go with a round in the chamber, IMHO. Kudos to those who are prepared to rack the slide as part of that MOA. In the current "high capacity" environment, in addition to having to dedicate the time to develop that muscle memory and a longer MOA, they're also choosing to bring 1 less round to the fight.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:28 am to finchmeister08
Absolutely. That's why I like to CC the shield. The safety toggle switches to off with my thumb as soon as I reach for it. She is always ready to rock.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:29 am to 756
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756
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for your own safety you need to really soul search and ask yourself could you shoot to kill You need to be honest with yourself
This is spot on. I did not start conceal carrying until this year (age 36) for this exact reason. I have always had a gun at home and most times in my truck. But conceal carry is taking it a step further. I spent the better part of 12-18 months going back and forth on if I could honestly conceal carry and take the responsibility that comes with.
ETA: I carry condition 1 since the first day I started carrying.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:33 am to bapple
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ut you can't realistically argue that it provides the exact same benefit of speed and capabilities as carrying condition 1 or 0. Those will be faster 100% of the time.
Not trying to argue that at all. In a perfect world we could all carry a full size pistol with one chambered ready to roll.
However, for me this isn't possible. It's also way more likely you'll never have to shoot someone than you will. Knowing all that I choose to take extra precautions bc of my life style.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:34 am to bapple
This is solid.
Answer this question... How do LEOs carry? Yes, the majority are open carrying, but there are lots of plain clothes guys too.
Answer this question... How do LEOs carry? Yes, the majority are open carrying, but there are lots of plain clothes guys too.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:35 am to SportTiger1
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I've not heard of many(any) cases of someone shooting themselves while drawing.
You must not be too familiar with the blackhawk holster. I've heard of it being banned at certain ranges. Negligent fires happen all to frequently due to it requiring you to push with your index finger then upon pulling the gun up/out, your finger is easily directed right at the trigger. If you do it quickly or with any force, you are likely to cause an accident shooting yourself in the leg.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 9:46 am to bapple
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I'm actually quite surprised with the amount of people on this board who lack the confidence to carry chambered.
It's frustrating to hear fellow carriers talk like this to each other. I think anyone who carries should carry in a way that makes them comfortable. Is carrying chambered/no safety/safety off the quickest deployment?..yes..hard to argue that. Is it the safest way to carry (vs no chambered or with safety on)..well there is no chance of a round exiting the barrel accidentally - no matter what. I'm not referring to it just "going off" by itself in a good holster. There's quite a few videos out there showing negligent/accidental discharges, so saying it never can happen is not reality and saying it's about a lack of confidence is not always the case.
I'm not knocking you Bapple.. you're a good dude and give a ton of helpful advice, so I hope you don't take this wrong.
I've pocket carried a lcp for a long time in a good holster and never chambered a round because when you sit down, most of the time we break the rule of pointing it at something we don't want to harm.
That said, I carry a Shield chambered with my safety on (iwb good holster) and fellow cc'ers still want to argue that's the wrong way to carry. I have kids around all the time and I carry how I feel is the safest way for my situation. If I had no kids around at all, I'd probably carry a g19 with a chambered round.
OP..carry however your the most comfortable with and practice, practice, practice.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:06 am to bapple
Once you pull that weapon, you've got to assume the other guy is pulling his at the same time. (if it's not already out).
You think he's carrying without one in the chamber?
You think he's carrying without one in the chamber?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:14 am to SportTiger1
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I've not heard of many(any) cases of someone shooting themselves while drawing.
never heard of Tex Grebner? LINK
...as to the OP: Carry chambered or don't bother carrying at all. As many have pointed out, you won't have time to rack it if you need it.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:28 am to CptRusty
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never heard of Tex Grebner?
Point taken. 
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