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re: Would the South have voluntarily end Slavery
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:12 pm to slackster
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:12 pm to slackster
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You can argue that the North wasn't fighting to end slavery, but you can't argue the South was fighting to keep it.
I think you meant "wasn't fighting to keep it", and that's pretty close to being a straw man.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:14 pm to pointdog33
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The north wanted it to end because of the economic advantages it gave the south. The north's conquest was not a humanitarian campaign.
Correct.
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The south wanted to keep it and stated so because it was the corner stone of the mostly agricultural driven south.
Also correct.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:17 pm to slackster
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You can argue that the North wasn't fighting to end slavery, but you can't argue the South was fighting to keep it.
In other words, if the US doesn't come after slavery, state rights don't come to a tipping point at that time in history, and states don't secede.
True.
As for the OP's question, slavery was a dying institution. Even if the South had been allowed to go its own way and there never had been a Civil War, slavery would have ended before the turn of the century.
What then would have become of the freed slaves? I highly doubt the white rulers of the confederacy would have allowed a new population of impoverished blacks to assismilate into Southern society. Instead I think it far more likely deportation programs (see Liberia) would have been used to remove the black population from the South.
My guess is that by the early 20th century the Confederacy would be a homogenous Caucasian society.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:17 pm to volod
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Oh, I am making an MLK thread
Shocker
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:18 pm to slackster
quote:I guess it is a mixture of the two and that was a much better way of putting it.
You can argue that the North wasn't fighting to end slavery, but you can't argue the South was fighting to keep it.
In other words, if the US doesn't come after slavery, state rights don't come to a tipping point at that time in history, and states don't secede.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:22 pm to SCLibertarian
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Every other nation on earth ended slavery without having a war that killed over half a million people
What are you saying? The U.S. is the worst country in the world? We fight bad wars? Why isn't our country a 3rd world shite hole?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:25 pm to volod
When the technology showed up... around 1920-30? 
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I think you meant "wasn't fighting to keep it", and that's pretty close to being a straw man.
, I did. I don't see how that is a straw man though. Explain.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:33 pm to slackster
If Eli wouldn't have created the cotton gin, slavery would have died out long before the civil war.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:36 pm to SabiDojo
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Whether slavery would have ceased being practical from an economic standpoint is, in my opinion, an ancillary issue hardly worth mentioning. The practice of slavery violates the spirit of what our country stands for. Its existence compromised the legitimacy of our future as a free nation, which was, and still is, the example of a free nation to the world. Slavery had to end.
This. It's why I scoff when people say slavery would've ended anyway on it's own. Well, maybe, but the point is that human bondage should not be conditioned on market forces. It shouldn't have taken any fighting. It shouldn't have taken any effort. It should have been slave owners saying "you know what? This is fricked up." And then decades of segregation and Jim Crow doesn't do much to dispel the idea that blacks should just get over it already and trust that white people arent racist anymore.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:38 pm to biglego
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It's why I scoff when people say slavery would've ended anyway on it's own.
It's an answer to a question, not a defense, if that makes any sense.
I wasted my 30k post on this. fricking awesome.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:47 pm to HempHead
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I wasted my 30k post on this.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:57 pm to Scruffy
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The largest myth about the Civil War is that it was fought to end slavery.
Well, that's why the South fought. Every state issued their own Declaration of Causes as to why they seceded. Slavery was the first issue mentioned every time. Not so much the North. They were far more interested in just preserving the union.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:59 pm to AUveritas
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Every state issued their own Declaration of Causes as to why they seceded. Slavery was the first issue mentioned every time.
This isn't true.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:59 pm to volod
I think not. That's who they were/are. Racist traitors. 
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:03 pm to volod
Better question. If the people of that time could see the future...would they have ever even brought the slaves over? I bet they wouldnt have.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:04 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This isn't true.
Which state(s) didn't?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:04 pm to AUveritas
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They were far more interested in just preserving the union.
This was the North's reason.
Also make a sad point that in our day and age, if Texas decided to secede, so many people would say let them
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:05 pm to HempHead
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:05 pm to GoldenGuy
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Also make a sad point that in our day and age, if Texas decided to secede, so many people would say let them
I'd certainly prefer that rather than bloodshed, if that is the alternative.
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