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re: Would the South have voluntarily end Slavery

Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:07 pm to
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Which state(s) didn't?


Which did? You said every one. I'm aware of SC, Georgia, Miss and Texas. I'm also aware of a few that had legislative statements in respect of their Articles of Secession.
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:12 pm to
Georgia:

quote:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.


Mississippi

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n the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.


South Carolina

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The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right.


Virginia

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The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.


Alabama

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Whereas, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the people of the State of Alabama, preceded by many and dangerous infractions of the constitution of the United States by many of the States and people of the Northern section, is a political wrong of so insulting and menacing a character as to justify the people of the State of Alabama in the adoption of prompt and decided measures for their future peace and security, therefore:


Although not mentioned by name until later, we all know what "domestic institutions" is referred to here.

I could keep going.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:15 pm to
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I could keep going.


Please do.
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:16 pm to
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When it became economically unviable due to industrialization, yes.



Yes, just like the North. They sure claim a lot of moral superiority over that 20-30 year period when slavery was legal in the South but not in the North.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:16 pm to
I have to ration all my downvotes to make sure I have one for every Volod thread
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:19 pm to
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On another note I feel that the war could have been avoided if there would have been a Compensated emancipation. This was done in other countries when they were ending slavery. Though it was wrong, slavery was part of the era, and slave owners had a lot of money invested in the slaves they owned. I think that could have been a better use of government's money than trying to set up a colony in Africa(Liberia) to send the freed slaves.

That's a pretty racist sentiment. You favor giving money to the white people instead of letting the victims go free? Africa would be a major industrialized world power if we had not taken their best and brightest and scattered them to the wind!
Posted by pistolpete23
In the present
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:20 pm to
Probably not all of the south
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Until February 7, 2013, the state of Mississippi had never submitted the required documentation to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, meaning it never officially had abolished slavery. The amendment was adopted in December 1865 after the necessary three-fourths of the then 36 states voted in favor of ratification.Feb 18, 2013


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Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:21 pm to
Reminds me of a pretty terrible joke that I hope won't get me banned:

Do all black people have a problem with slavery or just mine?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38225 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Alot of people claim the war focused on state rights, however the founders of the Confederacy wanted slavery.


Are you saying the Civil War was more about slavery than States rights?

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:24 pm to
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Africa would be a major industrialized world power if we had not taken their best and brightest and scattered them to the wind!


The "best & brightest" in Africa never left Africa. They were the ones capturing and selling their fellow Africans into slavery.



Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:26 pm to
You saw who you were responding to, right?
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:26 pm to
Yes
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:27 pm to
Then you ought to know better than to take the post at face value.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:27 pm to
The answer inarguably yes. According to every major thinker of the time. By all accounts, the South would've had a much better time integrating and equalizing those communities into free society than the way it actually happened.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64539 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

You saw who you were responding to, right?




I had a post all ready to go, and then I double checked the name.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

e "best & brightest" in Africa never left Africa. They were the ones capturing and selling their fellow Africans into slavery.

If you don't believe me google "American inventors" they were all black!
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56769 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

If you don't believe me google "American inventors" they were all black!




...this is actually accurate if you image google 'American inventors' what the frick
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:33 pm to
Wow, you're right. That's kinda awesome.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74554 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Then you ought to know better than to take the post at face value


Oh, I know. But there are others who do hold that exact opinion.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60078 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:38 pm to
That's because white people just steal things from people of color, like rock and roll, gunpowder, and taco tuesday
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