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re: Woman gets STD from boyfriend after car sex, Geico ordered to pay $5.2 million

Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
8888 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:29 pm to
15 minutes could cost us $5.2 million.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 12:59 pm to
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Then why is the $5.2 not exclusively on the individual but rather on the insurance company? I read the rest of your explanation and I appreciate the legal breakdown but by all intents and by common sense the insurance company for VEHICLE insurance should not cover this.


The simple answer is Geico insured him with a policy that covered this type of liability, though they almost certainly did not mean to do it. To comment more I would have to see the language of the policy the plaintiff relied upon. While I haven't looked deep into the case I looked at it quickly this morning when I got to the office and the process was significantly different than I had thought. It was not an arbitration required and/or agreed to by the insurance company but rather one allowed and sanctioned by MO code.
Posted by hnds2th
Member since May 2019
3096 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:02 pm to
Does this mean one can now sue hotels and home owners insurance as well? How about municipality’s? There have to be tons of diseases spreading in state sponsored homeless camps.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:18 pm to
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Wrong.

Read it again.


If you read the appeals court's opinion they dealt with mainly procedural issues surrounding Geico's motions to vacate the reduction to the judgment of the arbitration findings. In my cursory look at the opinion it did not seem to set any new precedent it just ruled on a lot of procedural matters and it looked like Geico's attorneys dropped the ball in handling the matter whether or not their due attention would have changed the outcome.

I don't see any precedent set. It is clear that the 537.065, RSMo based arbitration found the "loophole" exploitable but I see nothing that showed the trial court or appellate courts did anything more than rubberstamp the arbitration findings using the codified bar which is extremely low. Insurance companies will move to close this loophole at the earliest possible time. There will be some claims made looking back and some made for incidents prior to the insurance companies being able to change the policy language but this is not something that will upset the insurance apple cart. By the time every similar policy renews in the country that liability will be written out of the policies.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:32 pm to
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This is not reasonable. This is not a vehicle related injury. This is incorrect.


Let's be fair, that is an emotional conclusion unless you can point to the specific language in the Geico policy that renders the arbitrator's decision incorrect. I think we can agree Geico could have written a policy that covers this type of negligence and at least in the opinion of a single arbitrator they did, whether unwittingly or not.

A car insurance policy in almost every case is a unilaterally constructed contract. The insurance company writes every single line of it. In such cases the language is normally construed against the contract writer as a matter of public policy. The tie goes to the runner if you will.

Geico constructed a sloppy policy contract and then failed to fully protect their interests when it came to the arbitration findings being reduced to judgment. They are big mad this happened and after paying for their mistake(s) they will learn, evolve and avoid this going forward.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:34 pm to
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15 minutes
humble brag
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:37 pm to
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Also, this will get thrown out in a higher appeals court. This will be an oroneous suit and also would go against the normal operation of the motor vehicle which Geico would cover.


I don't see anywhere that Geico preserved these issues for appeal to the MO Supreme Court. Geico made a 3 pronged argument and none of them dealt with whether the policy covered this type of tort or not. Unless the case is remanded for trial it appears they essentially gave up that battle.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:45 pm to
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They were in a relationship since 2017 and she found out in 2021, so in 4 years she is saying they only had sex in his car. What about the house.


Where do you see this? The incident(s) that caused transmission purportedly happened in "November and Early December of 2017".

Without knowing what testimony was given at the arbitration we simply can't opine on much of the facts. There are certainly fact patterns that could by a preponderance of evidence show the transmission occurred during sex in the car. Unless you can show otherwise I think you are assuming facts not in evidence.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:47 pm to
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Here comes the “my boyfriend raped me in his car” lawsuits.


Does the boyfriend have one of those mythical insurance policies that cover intentional torts?
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 1:50 pm to
Watch her go after Hyundai now.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41116 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:04 pm to
I'm far from one to defend insurance companies and I think everyone here agrees this is bullshite, but this is such a huge factor in why so many of our insurance costs, health, whatever are so high. The legal department requirements so many places have to have to deal with shite like this constantly balloons admin departments everywhere. Our litigious culture is a cancer.
Posted by bigwheel
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2008
6491 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:06 pm to
Seems like comparative. Negligence
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10619 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:12 pm to
Below quote & article is from October 2021 and before the article in OP.

Starting daring in November 2017, tested positive sometime in 2018 (if in high school I would buy most sex happening in car, but I don’t think that the case here), still dating in 2021 when this process started, and still dating at least up to 2021 agreement between the 2 in state court that she could collect $5.2 million from insurance.

Some reform was passed around time of arbitration ruling, but I don’t know if it fixed others abusing “loophole” similarly afterward reform became effective or not.

Also Not sure what happened with the federal case mentioned in older article.

quote:

The insurance company has since filed a counter suit, and has accused the pair - who have elected to remain anonymous during court proceedings - of colluding for a massive payout.

GEICO is now challenging the couple's court-given right to stay anonymous throughout upcoming federal proceedings.

The woman, referred to as M.O. in court documents, filed a liability suit against the popular agency - whose ads feature a mild-mannered, anthropomorphic British lizard - after having unprotected sex with the man, labeled M.B., in the backseat of his 2014 Hyundai Genesis in 2017, and testing positive for HPV as a result.

The car is covered by an insurance policy in M.B.'s name.

At that point, the woman, without GEICO's knowledge, entered legal talks with her then-lover, and reached an agreement in state court where she would receive $5.2 million, that she 'can collect, if at all, only from GEICO,' court documents concerning the case reveal.

… The woman is now threatening to sue for damages relating to her 2018 diagnosis.

The case has since become a federal matter, presided over by the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10064853/Woman-sues-GEICO-1M-claiming-got-HPV-having-sex-car-insured.html

This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 2:56 pm
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:19 pm to
How long until we see State Farm paying out child support?
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
3697 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:28 pm to


Posted by nobigdeal69
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2009
2282 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:30 pm to
What's the statute of limitations on something like this? Is the university commons in BR still around? Asking for a friend...
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
7327 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:32 pm to
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The incident(s) that caused transmission purportedly happened in "November and Early December of 2017".



How can she say for sure when she got it or where she got it. Also, as this is not in the inteded operation of the car how is it Geico's fault?
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6538 posts
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:47 pm to
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this award shows that it's not a stretch for someone to file against an insurance company for anything
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11295 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 2:30 pm to
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Geico constructed a sloppy policy contract

Big if true.
Posted by RibsandWhiskey
Metry
Member since Aug 2011
823 posts
Posted on 6/10/22 at 2:39 pm to
He probably also told her she got Gonorrhea from riding the tractor in her bathing suit.
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