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re: With all of our technology why are we still working standard 40hr work weeks?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:35 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:35 pm to fightin tigers
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Completely untrue. They negotiate the minimum rate you can be paid. You can negotiate above that, which I have done at a previous place of employment. I saw where I was worth it, management agreed.
They raise the minimum for everyone, which quite obviously sucks for anyone trying to get above the fray.
You want to get paid more? Can't do it because we're paying Johnny slap dick some ridiculous minimum wage.
Want to move up? Sorry, can't get rid of this sorry MFer in front of you without catching shite from the union.
The idea that a union is a good thing for the ambitious and above average worker is completely bogus.
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Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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How naive can you be?
I deal with it every day. Certain people are known as headhunters because they fire union personnel, legitimately. Others sit on their thumb and put work on productive members.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:37 pm to slackster
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You want to get paid more? Can't do it because we're paying Johnny slap dick some ridiculous minimum wage.
I can't speak for every contract, but every one I have seen only controls the minimum.
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Want to move up? Sorry, can't get rid of this sorry MFer in front of you without catching shite from the union.
What is he doing wrong? Blame management and HR for being shitty.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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How naive can you be?
He's a fool.
Nothing says unions are great better than Detroit, public service employees, educators, and the steel industry.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:41 pm to urinetrouble
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If this board is any indication, most people are just dicking off on Tigerdroppings all day and not actually working.
Damn straight. If I work too much they'll start to expect more from me, and give me more responsibility or something.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:43 pm to fightin tigers
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can't speak for every contract, but every one I have seen only controls the minimum.
Just because there isn't a policy doesn't make it practical that this would happen. There's only so much money to go around for labor. If Jimmy Lipper is paid 100k to sit on his arse because he's worked there for 25 years that means there is less money for everyone else.
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What is he doing wrong? Blame management and HR for being shitty.
Blame the union for getting above 35 an hour to do nothing.
You're obviously using anecdotes as basis for your argument which makes your position inherently weak.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:43 pm to slackster
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Nothing says unions are great better than Detroit, public service employees, educators, and the steel industry.
Cherry pick to support your point rather than look at actual facts.
Blaming unions for the failure of the auto industry in Detroit is ignorant. Let's forget every mistake the auto industry made including building shitty cars that no one wanted because they were inefficient and outdated.
Unions definitely hold some of the blame for being greedy, but the companies are just as guilty.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:45 pm to Jackie Chan
Corporate culture is changing with technology. The new generation of workers wont stand with companies who force them to be chained to a desk from 8-5 each day. Technology has come too far and allows too many benefits. For your experienced and high achieving employee, companies have to adapt with other perks that allow remote and flexible work, which measure product based on the output and not necessarily the hours worked.
Companies who fail to see this paradigm shift in the corporate world will die out or be bought up.
Companies who fail to see this paradigm shift in the corporate world will die out or be bought up.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:45 pm to fightin tigers
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. Let's forget every mistake the auto industry made including building shitty cars that no one wanted because they were inefficient and outdated.
Maybe they could have shifted resources to R&D has they not had to keep paying for labor they didn't need
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:45 pm to fightin tigers
Standard work week is 35 hours in some countries.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You're obviously using anecdotes as basis for your argument which makes your position inherently weak.
The opposition is using talking points from Fox News to support theirs. I feel comfortable.
FWIW, I hated unions before and while working for them. Actually stopped being a member of one non-contact (with no ill will from fellow members). Once I actually had a view from both sides my opinion changed.
Laziness from management is just as much a problem as from the union side. It is easier for a manager to sit on their arse and ask a productive employee to do the work then build a case and have an unproductive member fired.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:49 pm to slackster
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This has always been an interesting subject to me.. I understand the argument that wages are flat while productivity increased. But I don’t really understand how the CPI works or what makes wages “flat”.
What I mean is.. does this just mean that the cost of basic necessities (food, housing, etc.) has grown in proportion to wages? That would make some sense, for example increased food output has to compete with increased demand due to population.
But when you look at the rest of the stuff we buy, don’t we have to say that society is “richer” than 30 years ago? In other words, our standard of living has improved quite a bit. So a new iPhone might cost $900 but what would it cost to buy a Nokia from the late 90’s? Do these types of improvements get factored into the CPI?
ETA: And of course this turns into another 10+ page argument about unions.. not like that dead horse hasn’t already been beaten.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:49 pm to weagle99
Becasue tech is expensive.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:49 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Maybe they could have shifted resources to R&D has they not had to keep paying for labor they didn't need
They easily could have. Had they called a bluff even once. Instead it was easier (lazy) to assume the gravy train would always run.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:50 pm to fightin tigers
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Cherry pick to support your point rather than look at actual facts.
I know what the facts are. Unions are good for wages of the median worker.
They're not good for anyone trying to be better than that. They're also liable to kill an industry.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:51 pm to fightin tigers
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Laziness from management is just as much a problem as from the union side. It is easier for a manager to sit on their arse and ask a productive employee to do the work then build a case and have an unproductive member fired.
You're making an argument against yourself here. Where there no union you wouldn't have "to build a case" to run the business as you see fit. Instead you have to go through a whole bureaucratic process instead of actually managing your business
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:52 pm to slackster
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I know what the facts are. Unions are good for wages of the median worker.
They're not good for anyone trying to be better than that. They're also liable to kill an industry
Keep moving forward with that mentality. Im sure it will serve you well.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Where there no union you wouldn't have "to build a case" to run the business as you see fit. Instead you have to go through a whole bureaucratic process instead of actually managing your business
Go around firing people without cause, union or non-union, and see if it doesn't cost you more in the long run.
Litigation through a union agreed mediator is cheap compared to a wrongful termination lawsuit.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:54 pm to weagle99
I'm a 10 to 2 type guy, but often work until 4.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:54 pm to lostinbr
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But when you look at the rest of the stuff we buy, don’t we have to say that society is “richer” than 30 years ago? In other words, our standard of living has improved quite a bit. So a new iPhone might cost $900 but what would it cost to buy a Nokia from the late 90’s? Do these types of improvements get factored into the CPI?
This might help.
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The BLS records about 80,000 items each month by calling or visiting retail stores, service establishments (such as cable providers, airlines, car and truck rental agencies), rental units and doctors’ offices across the country in order to get the best outlook for the CPI.
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