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Will American cars ever claw their way back to the top of the mountain?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:50 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:50 am
Back to the day when Chevelles, Trans Ams, LTDs and Torinos etc. were considered sexier and better built than anything coming out of Japan, and Korean cars weren't even a thing?
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:51 am to Ajo Devil
Did you see the Fauci Ouchie Pouchie?
We have a long way to go
We have a long way to go
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:56 am to Ajo Devil
It would take a major deregulation of the industry in the US and/or dumping legacy pensions to do it.
Legacy pensions cost so much that the companies aren’t actually making money on most cars. At best they are thinning the margin of the loss.
OTOH, government regulations like CAFE standards mean that companies have to make shitbox sedans which don’t sell in order to game the fleet mileage requirement to be able to sell trucks, SUVs, etc, which are the moneymakers but have poor mileage.
Legacy pensions cost so much that the companies aren’t actually making money on most cars. At best they are thinning the margin of the loss.
OTOH, government regulations like CAFE standards mean that companies have to make shitbox sedans which don’t sell in order to game the fleet mileage requirement to be able to sell trucks, SUVs, etc, which are the moneymakers but have poor mileage.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:58 am to Ajo Devil
we recently sold our 2007 escalade w/ the bulletproof transmission and corvette v8 and that thing was a BEAST. 
i hated to sell it but the wife insisted. loved the growl from the engine.
i hated to sell it but the wife insisted. loved the growl from the engine.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:03 pm to Ajo Devil
No. But I do like the innovation being shown in the EV space by a lot of American companies.
The next 25 to 50 years we will likely be moving to share economy model. You will get on an app, order a ride, and the robot car or drone will come get you.
At that point, the American manufacturers will be solely focused on fleet type vehicles and not innovating super cool new vehicles.
I'm not a fan of it, but as autonomous driving takes over and ride share becomes even more increasingly prevalent, a significant portion of consumers will check out of owning a vehicle and instead use future ride share services.
And this is the correct reason why not in the current generation of the American auto industry.
The next 25 to 50 years we will likely be moving to share economy model. You will get on an app, order a ride, and the robot car or drone will come get you.
At that point, the American manufacturers will be solely focused on fleet type vehicles and not innovating super cool new vehicles.
I'm not a fan of it, but as autonomous driving takes over and ride share becomes even more increasingly prevalent, a significant portion of consumers will check out of owning a vehicle and instead use future ride share services.
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It would take a major deregulation of the industry in the US and/or dumping legacy pensions to do it.
And this is the correct reason why not in the current generation of the American auto industry.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:04 pm to Ajo Devil
Today’s muscle cars as demanded by govt
In other words, not a chance
In other words, not a chance
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:13 pm to Ajo Devil
They would have to be built outside the U.S. (China, Mexico) to have competitive prices to reach the scale needed to be on top of the mountain.
Too many economic forces against this ever happening, IMO. This is far deeper structural issue than tariffs could budge (not a fan of tariffs at all, btw).
Too many economic forces against this ever happening, IMO. This is far deeper structural issue than tariffs could budge (not a fan of tariffs at all, btw).
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:13 pm to Ajo Devil
America is now filled with a bunch of snowflakes who are scared of their own shadows and 'the end of the world' - they're not the kind who would find revelry letting the horses run...
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:30 pm to Ajo Devil
American cars are much more reliable than they used to be, but Honda and Toyota still have an edge there. A lot of this is not so much quality of workmanship or legacy pension inflated cost of production as it is mechanical design.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:33 pm to weadjust
Tesla are quick... But nothing that the visceral feel, smell, sound, etc that a classic or even modern ICE provides.
Luckily there are options out there for everyone.
Luckily there are options out there for everyone.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:37 pm to Ajo Devil
Are Toyota and Honda going out of business? Or are they selling every car they make?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:39 pm to Ajo Devil
Tesla
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:52 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Today’s muscle cars as demanded by govt
The romanticism of 60s-70s muscle cars is odd. As someone that grew up loving, driving and wrenching on them today's muscle cars are better in every objective way.
A base Mustang with the 2.3l EcoBoost will actually run with any of the 60/70s legends and a GT will obliterate them in a straight line. Braking and handling are in another galaxy.
You could buy a modern muscle car and take it bone stock back in time to Woodward Ave in '69 and rule the street.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:59 pm to Ajo Devil
The mid-engine Vette costs around $70k and outperforms foreign made supercars that are $200k+. So there’s that.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:00 pm to Ajo Devil
No
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:00 pm to TigrrrDad
My mom has a Cadillac that is pretty freaking sweet.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:04 pm to Ajo Devil
No. American "boutique" cars will continue to gain popularity.. Things like Teslas and other small companies who manage to evade any union control have a shot. But the bulk American builders and all the pensions they've racked up will forever languish in last place.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:09 pm to Ajo Devil
Can you imagine the recalls, or in Ford's case they just call that a Tuesday.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:10 pm to Knight of Old
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