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Posted on 9/13/26 at 7:01 am to TSS4LSU
Are you trying to say life or knife?
Posted on 9/13/26 at 7:06 am to TSS4LSU
Like Dr John Deloney says…because it works.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 7:11 am to TSS4LSU
It starts very slowly and then just becomes a way to self medicate for them.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 7:42 am to northshorebamaman
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You claimed the definition of disease was changed to accommodate alcoholism.
No I didn’t. Link it. You can’t.
You are trying to quibble by assuming meanings that I didn’t intend. When I said “they changed the definition” I didn’t mean that Miriam Webster or the AMA officially did; I meant common usage. I’m okay with you pointing that out, but once I clarified that - and I did - that should have put an end to your quibble.
Fifty years ago alcoholism, and drug abuse, were considered weaknesses of character. Now they are commonly called “diseases”. But “disease” never meant willfull behavior. That is a change.
One could argue that addicts have a genetic predisposition, but that still doesn’t make it a disease, according to the centuries-old usage. Otherwise suicide could be a disease. Homicide? Rape? It gets ridiculous.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 8:16 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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At some point you do make a conscious choice to become an addict.
Tha’ hell? That’s an interesting take and I’d love for you to expound upon that hypothesis.
Obviously people make the conscious choice to begin the potentially addictive activity. But I don’t think anyone makes the conscious choice to become an addict. Sort of flies in the face of the definition of the word.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 8:22 am to TSS4LSU
Because that's how life goes and we all know people like that who abuse the finer things in life because even though some might consider these things luxuries they can most certainly adversely affect a person's health and general well-being including financially so stay close to family and keep it real out there.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 8:34 am to Wayne Campbell
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Tha’ hell? That’s an interesting take and I’d love for you to expound upon that hypothesis.
Obviously people make the conscious choice to begin the potentially addictive activity. But I don’t think anyone makes the conscious choice to become an addict. Sort of flies in the face of the definition of the word.
“I am really starting to drink a lot”
“I’m hungover at work a lot”
“My drinking is starting to affect my relationships”
Every addict has these interdialogues before they form a chemical dependency (that can be broken)
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:14 am to northshorebamaman
For anyone out there with loved ones that are going through addiction and are hesitant to call it a disease, I highly recommend that you watch “Pleasure Unwoven” by Dr. Kevin McCauley. McCauley is a former military flight surgeon that got hooked on opioids following a surgical procedure, and in the fallout from that experience, decided to explore addiction further. In the documentary, he goes through the neuroscience behind addiction and explains it in a way that a layperson can follow. Again, I highly recommend it.
Just about every disease process we know about has more than one variable that contributes to its development in some way. Oftentimes it’s a combination of several variables whether it be genetic, environmental, and yes, even lifestyle/behavioral.
I am in no way denying that personal agency has at least some role in the development of addiction, but to say that it is not a disease is an oddly ignorant take.
Just about every disease process we know about has more than one variable that contributes to its development in some way. Oftentimes it’s a combination of several variables whether it be genetic, environmental, and yes, even lifestyle/behavioral.
I am in no way denying that personal agency has at least some role in the development of addiction, but to say that it is not a disease is an oddly ignorant take.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:37 am to Mushroom1968
What’s the point of worrying about something that hasn’t happened being a fireman?
I know yall see some bad stuff but you have no part in it. Saw a guy get hit by an 18 wheeler in farmerville, a college kid at tech. I was the first one on scene and didn’t bother me in the least.
I know yall see some bad stuff but you have no part in it. Saw a guy get hit by an 18 wheeler in farmerville, a college kid at tech. I was the first one on scene and didn’t bother me in the least.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:43 am to TSS4LSU
Why does this post and the subsequent posts sound like someone who is drunk?
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:07 am to TSS4LSU
Some people manage and somehow keep it hidden. Prime example, Stephanie Niznik who died in 2019 from chronic alcohol abuse.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:09 am to TSS4LSU
Hello darkness my old friend….. because it numbs the pain and makes everything go away even for a little while could be saving the guys life.
Without any reprieve, it could be too much to handle.
Without any reprieve, it could be too much to handle.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:14 am to Penrod
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You claimed the definition of disease was changed to accommodate alcoholism.
No I didn’t. Link it. You can’t.
“Link it. You can’t” is a particularly stupid bluff when the evidence is already posted.
You open with “No I didn’t,” then immediately write, “When I said ‘they changed the definition’...” You managed to deny saying it and acknowledge saying it in the same fricking post.
You can clarify what you meant. You can retract what you said. What you can’t do is pretend “I didn’t mean it that way” establishes “I never said it.”
And your “fifty years ago” history is wrong. The AMA recognized alcoholism as an illness in 1956, seventy years ago. That’s medical recognition, not proof that anyone rewrote the definition of “disease.” Public prejudice can persist alongside medical knowledge. People calling alcoholism a character flaw doesn’t establish that medicine classified it that way.
You still haven’t identified the old definition, the new definition, or when the supposed change occurred. You’ve simply added “without agency” to a definition that contained no such requirement.
Try again. Show the definition that changed, and this time make sure your answer survives comparison with your own posts.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:20 am to backbone
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What’s the point of worrying about something that hasn’t happened being a fireman?
Good question, I have no idea why it happens
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I know yall see some bad stuff but you have no part in it. Saw a guy get hit by an 18 wheeler in farmerville, a college kid at tech. I was the first one on scene and didn’t bother me in the least.
It’s the repetitiveness of it. Some retire unaffected and some don’t, I don’t know the answer. I worked within one month, 2 entire families being killed in a car wreck. I had worked a lot of bad stuff over the years. Sure I signed up for it. I wasn’t realizing at 20 years old what would be happening to me after 10,15 years on the job. Then you have a family, no college degree, and start feeling trapped. Also, sleep, when on the ambulance that doesn’t exist. Running all night at 20 is different than at 40 with kids at the house.
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but you have no part in it
I mean, we are a part of it. Dealing with the family members affected, treating them in the back of the box, taking them to the ER, we are definitely a part of what happens
I recognize obviously again, what I signed up for. First responder world has to try and get people young and talk about the lights/sirens, saving lives, excitement, otherwise other departments will get those people. Even the gore and death early on had no impact on me, It was just the accumulation of it over the years that finally caught up. I didn't realize what was happening when I first had issues, didn't realize I had PTSD, took a few years, just thought I went crazy. And then there are those that go on and do the same shite I did for 30 plus years and never have an issue. That's how I thought I was going to be. Props to those people. Since I've retired I've realized I wasn't built for the fire service and ems, I did it for a little over 30 years. I winged the frick out of it.
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:23 am to Penrod
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You claimed the definition of disease was changed to accommodate alcoholism.
No I didn’t. Link it. You can’t.
You are trying to quibble by assuming meanings that I didn’t intend. When I said “they changed the definition”
fricking Rick James over here.
“Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on. I got a little more sense than that
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...Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.”
Posted on 9/13/26 at 11:05 am to northshorebamaman
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Link it. You can’t” is a particularly stupid bluff when the evidence is already posted.
Apparently you have comprehension issues.
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You claimed the definition of disease was changed to accommodate alcoholism.
I don’t see the bold part in what you linked. You see, while there is evidence of stupidity here, it is not where you thought.
I should have known when I saw “bamaman”
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/13/26 at 11:31 am to Penrod
quote:I’ve asked you the same four questions three times: Who changed the definition? When? What was the old definition? What is the new one?
I don’t see the bold part in what you linked. You see, while there is evidence of stupidity here, it is not where you thought.
I should have known when I saw “bamaman
Can you answer them or not? I’m tired of reading the random bullshite you keep trying to dazzle me with.
Was the definition recently changed? That was your claim. That’s what I disputed. Either demonstrate the recent change or admit you can’t.
And since you want to go that route, neither your football team nor your username tipped me off that you’re an idiot, though “Penrod” certainly contributes. It's the idiotic things you actually write that give you away as an idiot.
You can respond with more stupid shite, but I’m going to ask you the same four questions again. Changing the subject doesn’t answer them.
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 11:32 am
Posted on 9/13/26 at 1:28 pm to northshorebamaman
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I’ve asked you the same four questions three times: Who changed the definition? When? What was the old definition? What is the new one?
I have answered them. But you are too busy quibbling and calling names to admit it.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:28 pm to Penrod
No. You said "they were the gaggle that were changing the word literally" which is gobbledygook that says nothing and borders on non-responsive and posted a chatgpt summary, claimed 'they' referred to everyone via "common usage" and said 50 years ago despite the AMA classifying it as a disease 70 years ago.
I mean, at this point you've already conceded so much that you don't have much of a point to defend anymore, so that's cool. I just pushed back when you tried to use outright denial to excuse your claims.
I mean, at this point you've already conceded so much that you don't have much of a point to defend anymore, so that's cool. I just pushed back when you tried to use outright denial to excuse your claims.
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 2:29 pm
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