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re: why do those who drink heavily think or use it because of bad kife
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:11 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:11 pm to northshorebamaman
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Respectfully, this is an appeal to motive fallacy that doesn't address or refute my point.
No it doesn’t. I get what you are saying, but a TON of alcoholics (current and “former”) absolve any responsibility in their own actions because it’s a “disease” and there was nothing they could do about it.
Same way obesity is a disease. You choose to put that shite in your gullet. Full stop
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:So we agree. I stated this pretty clearly.
Same way obesity is a disease. You choose to put that shite in your gullet. Full stop
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:42 pm to gumbo2176
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Addiction is not a disease, it's a fricking choice people make. I propose I could be around hard core drug addicts or alcoholics for weeks at a time and I'll not catch their "Disease".
There are diseases that are not infectious, so this statement was off-base. But I agree with you that addiction is not a disease.
To put it better: Addiction was not a disease until they changed the definition of “disease”.
This post was edited on 9/12/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:50 pm to Penrod
quote:Who is 'they', which definition of “disease” changed, when did it change, and what was the old wording?
Addiction was not a disease until they changed the definition of “disease”.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:50 pm to Bernie Bierman
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It is well known that any pathology must be transmissible in order for it to be classified as a disease.
I dont have any idea where it is "well known". That's simply a load of crap, as anyone with a hereditary disease or the big C will tell you.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:52 pm to Bernie Bierman
quote:Is this sarcasm?
Well said. It is well known that any pathology must be transmissible in order for it to be classified as a disease.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:53 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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At some point you do make a conscious choice to become an addict.
If you're an alcoholic, then your experience is different from mine or anyone else's whom Ive ever spoken with.
If you're not, then stfu.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 3:57 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:your mind tricks you into thinking you cannot live without whatever substance you’re addicted to - the dopamine hits from whatever eventually ruins your ability to control yourself because whatever it is makes you happy
At some point you do make a conscious choice to become an addict.
I mean, there have always been tons of alcoholics and drug addicts in my family - but there are other addictions too, that people don’t even realize they’re walking into
Posted on 9/12/26 at 4:01 pm to dgnx6
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The fact you say former means you made a choice to no longer be this.
He made a conscious choice to drink, not a conscious choice to be an addict or alcoholic. Damn, you're dense.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 4:05 pm to LemmyLives
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But Jesus will fix it all, right?
Correct.
Posted on 9/12/26 at 4:31 pm to northshorebamaman
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Who is 'they', which definition of “disease” changed, when did it change, and what was the old wording?
It’s usage first, then definition. “They” are the same gaggle that is changing the definition of “literally”.
From ChatGPT:
quote:
Around 2000, the conventional clinical idea was closer to: A disease is an abnormality of bodily structure or function that produces a recognizable set of signs, symptoms, or impairment. That concept is still central, but modern medicine increasingly recognizes conditions before symptoms appear, conditions defined statistically or biologically, and behavioral/psychiatric syndromes where there may be no identifiable structural lesion.
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