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re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by dewster
on 1/29/23 at 1:55 pm to yaboidarrell

Which would you trust with detailed knowledge of company’s back office processes?
This post was edited on 1/29 at 1:56 pm
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Incorrect, the Indians you see here in America represent the top .001% of India.
To be fair, the same can be said for the Chinese you see here.
To the OP - I think the biggest factor is that India is much more integrated with the west in general than China. Both have interdependent economic relationships with the west, but Chinese society is much more insular (whether due to the CCP or just their culture) than India.
As an example, a ton of the companies I work with have global support functions located in India. Not one has those functions in China. In fact, most if not all have Chinese offices that exist strictly to support Chinese operations.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by reggierayreb on 1/29/23 at 2:07 pm to yaboidarrell
Because a massive majority of Chinese individuals that speak English even remotely well are working in the Logistics sector. Trust me.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by Breauxsif
on 1/29/23 at 2:07 pm to yaboidarrell

I work in tech as a software engineer, on the contrary there are many Chinese who work at FAANG’s, however you don’t hear it as much. It’s hard to find Tivoli Experts, SAP Professionals, SAS Programmers, Oracle Developers, Java/Web Developers, Cisco Network Engineers, .Net Developers, C/C++ Embedded Engineers, QA Testers, and other similar skills that are growing faster than the current supply can handle. Americans simply don't do these jobs. The aforementioned, I’ve specifically found that Chinese certainly represent those specific skill sets over East Indians.
Several years ago FAANG’s loved the $130K H1B salary amendment. Zoe Lofgren’s bill clearly states that they can add bonus and stock options to the base salary to meet the $130K requirement. Moreover, even if a tech firm is H1B dependent, and can meet the $130K requirement, they will file and get it easily. It was also a big reprieve to start-up companies who needed this kind of talent without the hassle of the H1B lottery.
What you’re seeing is the impact of H1B’s which is heavily dominated by East Indians IT consulting companies like Infosys, TCS, Wipro, ect, ect who send engineers to work at customer sites, in which they charge a client a set price, for example $100 to $180 per hour, which helps the client undercut an American job, and the consulting company pays 70% of the billed price to the H1B visa holder. In this model there is no way IT firms can pay $130K to a consulting employee, it’s simply not viable anymore.
There’s lots of Chinese in the Silicon Valley and Seattle who work in tech. I work with many Chinese who are very good at their jobs. For example, many Chinese gravitated to the Silicon Valley way before the East Indians arrived. Bill Shockley and the Fairchild team was probably what kick-started the Silicon Valley miracle. Certainly if there was no Fairchild, there would be no Intel, and the entire semiconductor ecosystem that puts the Santa Clara Valley on the map. No Fairchild also probably means there would be no Kleiner Perkins, the reknown SV VC, and that would mean no Netscape, and no internet boom in the 90s. If you walk into any STEM Masters program, you’ll see it is heavily dominated by Asians, as opposed to East Indians. Are East Indians present, sure, but not nearly as represented by Asians.
Several years ago FAANG’s loved the $130K H1B salary amendment. Zoe Lofgren’s bill clearly states that they can add bonus and stock options to the base salary to meet the $130K requirement. Moreover, even if a tech firm is H1B dependent, and can meet the $130K requirement, they will file and get it easily. It was also a big reprieve to start-up companies who needed this kind of talent without the hassle of the H1B lottery.
What you’re seeing is the impact of H1B’s which is heavily dominated by East Indians IT consulting companies like Infosys, TCS, Wipro, ect, ect who send engineers to work at customer sites, in which they charge a client a set price, for example $100 to $180 per hour, which helps the client undercut an American job, and the consulting company pays 70% of the billed price to the H1B visa holder. In this model there is no way IT firms can pay $130K to a consulting employee, it’s simply not viable anymore.
There’s lots of Chinese in the Silicon Valley and Seattle who work in tech. I work with many Chinese who are very good at their jobs. For example, many Chinese gravitated to the Silicon Valley way before the East Indians arrived. Bill Shockley and the Fairchild team was probably what kick-started the Silicon Valley miracle. Certainly if there was no Fairchild, there would be no Intel, and the entire semiconductor ecosystem that puts the Santa Clara Valley on the map. No Fairchild also probably means there would be no Kleiner Perkins, the reknown SV VC, and that would mean no Netscape, and no internet boom in the 90s. If you walk into any STEM Masters program, you’ll see it is heavily dominated by Asians, as opposed to East Indians. Are East Indians present, sure, but not nearly as represented by Asians.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by BuckyCheese
on 1/29/23 at 2:10 pm to reggierayreb

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Because a massive majority of Chinese individuals that speak English even remotely well are working in the Logistics sector. Trust me.
Yeah, ignoring the fact that very very few Chinese speak English is missing a lot.
And the ones that do speak English, still have issues with comprehension quite often in my experience.
Or they are playing dumb. Which is quite possible. I hate dealing with them.
This post was edited on 1/29 at 2:11 pm
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by LSUtoBOOT
on 1/29/23 at 2:11 pm to yaboidarrell


You better believe that if the Indians (or anyone for that matter) do anything better than the Chinese, then the Chinese will reverse engineer it and do it at least as good.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by GRTiger
on 1/29/23 at 2:28 pm to yaboidarrell

Many more companies have operations in India than in China based on my experience. This naturally opens up more opportunities for Indians in US companies.
There are plenty of Chinese in tech and adjacent industries, I've just found that they tend to be in roles that interact less with others beyond their team. Indians have a more Western disposition to a large extent and are more relatable culturally, so that also opens up more visible roles.
This is all anecdotal of course.
There are plenty of Chinese in tech and adjacent industries, I've just found that they tend to be in roles that interact less with others beyond their team. Indians have a more Western disposition to a large extent and are more relatable culturally, so that also opens up more visible roles.
This is all anecdotal of course.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by BoardReader
on 1/29/23 at 2:39 pm to GRTiger

Its a number of factors; English language skill availability is the top one, but the price of Chinese skilled labor has been skyrocketing--its now about three times as expensive, conservatively, as Indian skilled labor.
Throw in having to worry about securing your technology from your own employees half as much, and its not really a wonder as to why Indians are outpacing the Chinese in the tech sector.
Throw in having to worry about securing your technology from your own employees half as much, and its not really a wonder as to why Indians are outpacing the Chinese in the tech sector.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
on 1/29/23 at 2:49 pm to yaboidarrell

Just dots on a map.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by Thecoz on 1/29/23 at 3:09 pm to yaboidarrell
In my experience with tech companies …Indians are in support roles
Chinese are developers … Chinese will be sponsored for visa by company
Indians will not..
A side note.. India ..Indians are not considered a minority for things like kids applying to college .. I am talking about second third… etc generation us citizens.
Chinese are developers … Chinese will be sponsored for visa by company
Indians will not..
A side note.. India ..Indians are not considered a minority for things like kids applying to college .. I am talking about second third… etc generation us citizens.
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re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by touchdownjeebus
on 1/29/23 at 3:19 pm to Strannix

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I always laugh when people say this
Yet average IQ and average income suggest otherwise.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by molsusports
on 1/29/23 at 3:21 pm to BuckyCheese

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And they are a pain in the fricking arse to deal with
Personal experience?
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
on 1/29/23 at 6:55 pm to Breauxsif

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I work in tech as a software engineer, on the contrary there are many Chinese who work at FAANG’s, however you don’t hear it as much. It’s hard to find Tivoli Experts, SAP Professionals, SAS Programmers, Oracle Developers, Java/Web Developers, Cisco Network Engineers, .Net Developers, C/C++ Embedded Engineers, QA Testers, and other similar skills that are growing faster than the current supply can handle. Americans simply don't do these jobs
There is more to the software field than Silicon valley.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by Grateful Reb
on 1/29/23 at 7:18 pm to yaboidarrell

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Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?
How many more? Link to stats?
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by SuperSaint
on 1/29/23 at 7:20 pm to TideSaint

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They are one of the dumbest races on the planet.

re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by RogerTheShrubber
on 1/29/23 at 7:23 pm to BuckyCheese

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And the ones that do speak English, still have issues with comprehension quite often in my experience.
They seem very linear, not at all creative.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by SuperSaint
on 1/29/23 at 7:24 pm to Breauxsif

quote:I know several Chinese that work in tech
There’s lots of Chinese in the Silicon Valley and Seattle who work in tech.
Many would be very surprised how redpilled some of them are honestly
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by LSURep864 on 1/29/23 at 7:37 pm to yaboidarrell
China is keeping theirs domestic. Big brain moves.
re: Why are there so many more Indians in tech than Chinese?Posted by BawWithDaBae on 1/29/23 at 9:43 pm to BuckyCheese
They copy what’s ours because those who want to mass produce can send over their prototype like an idiot and get units made for nothing.
If anything was still made in America, sure it would be more, but we wouldn’t have half the BS — shoddy production, economic fragility, poor international relations with China.
They know stupid Americans need them.
And, the Chinese and Indian population are the two largest - the doctors and tech sector ppl represent the less than 1%.
If anything was still made in America, sure it would be more, but we wouldn’t have half the BS — shoddy production, economic fragility, poor international relations with China.
They know stupid Americans need them.
And, the Chinese and Indian population are the two largest - the doctors and tech sector ppl represent the less than 1%.
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