- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Who/what entity would you say is most to blame for the 2007-2009 housing crisis/recession?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:56 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:56 pm to grizzlylongcut
Democratic Congressmen and President (Clinton).
Trying to mandate loans to people who shouldn't have qualified for them.
Trying to mandate loans to people who shouldn't have qualified for them.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:05 pm to Deactived
Well, to be fair, it started with Jimmy Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act. Clinton put it on steroids. When GWB's friends in the banking industry saw that they can make massive profits off of fees and then get this garbage off their books thanks new laws passed by their corrupt friends in Congress ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE (especially Phil Graham (R-Texas) Senate Banking Chair), the housing crisis went off the rails.
If you want to do a search, there’s a video out there of Andrew Cuomo, Clinton's HUD secretary, talking about the Clinton administration using the community reinvestment act to make banks give out bad loans. He admits that it's going to lead to many more foreclosures. But, they didn’t give a f*ck.
If you want to do a search, there’s a video out there of Andrew Cuomo, Clinton's HUD secretary, talking about the Clinton administration using the community reinvestment act to make banks give out bad loans. He admits that it's going to lead to many more foreclosures. But, they didn’t give a f*ck.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:19 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Bill Clinton - in 1999 we repealed Glass Steagall which separated banks and investment banks.
Clinton definitely at fault for the Community Reinvestment Act but he tag teamed with Republicans in Congress on the repeal of Glass Steagall. I believe that was pushed more by the right side of the aisle and he went along with it.
Plenty blame to go around.
Economies are complex creatures until somebody needs to place blame on a downturn or crash.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
Fedgov pushed the banks to expand credit availability.
Banks were counting food stamps as "income" for these shitty loans.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:40 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
I mean it begins with the banks and then probably goes to the Fed
No. It started with Democrats I’m Congress. Specifically this idiot, Berney Franks

Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:41 pm to tigahbruh
quote:
Clinton definitely at fault for the Community Reinvestment Act but he tag teamed with Republicans in Congress on the repeal of Glass Steagall. I believe that was pushed more by the right side of the aisle and he went along with it.
Correct here on all accounts - Republicans had the House and Senate
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:42 pm to grizzlylongcut
Can't link it but go look on youtube for Barney Frank and many other democrat appearances on the committee discussing it at the time. I believe, at that time, Bush warned our government of the upcoming problem.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 3:59 pm to bgtiger
quote:
Can't link it but go look on youtube for Barney Frank and many other democrat appearances on the committee discussing it at the time. I believe, at that time, Bush warned our government of the upcoming problem.
I've seen the very video you speak of.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:12 pm to bgtiger
quote:
Can't link it but go look on youtube for Barney Frank and many other democrat appearances on the committee discussing it at the time. I believe, at that time, Bush warned our government of the upcoming problem.
Bush did not warn the government. The person who warned everyone was Congressman Richard Baker from Baton Rouge. He knew what they had created--Bush was an idiot who turned a blind eye to it.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:14 pm to grizzlylongcut
There's a lot of blame to go around but ultimately, after the banks were deregulated, they found they could make a bunch of money on mortgage backed securities, especially those that were junk. Then that prompted them to go out and issue more and more of the subprime mortgages and bundle them up and sell and it just all came to a head when time ran out.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:14 pm to tigahbruh
quote:The Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977.
Clinton definitely at fault for the Community Reinvestment Act
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:15 pm to grizzlylongcut
At the investment firm in 1994 we saw what was happening with the loan industry and how they were changing the rules because "racism". Several agents predicted a ten year bust, it took 14, as the bad loans and defaults piled up and were eventually pushed off to the feds to guarantee.
Everyone in DC knew what was happening, but much like covid, there was a lot of money to be made so they either went along or turned a blind eye.
Everyone in DC knew what was happening, but much like covid, there was a lot of money to be made so they either went along or turned a blind eye.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:22 pm to grizzlylongcut
Clinton and his policies that set the entire bubble in motion.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:39 pm to back9Tiger
quote:Nope.
Clinton and his policies that set the entire bubble in motion.
It was not Clinton, Frank, the Democrats, or government in general.
It was human greed and failed wisdom. The prime players were banks, hedge funds, investment houses, ratings agencies, homeowners, investors, and insurance companies.
Understanding the Subprime Meltdown
Following the tech bubble and the economic trauma that followed the terrorist attacks in the U.S. on September 11, 2001, the Federal Reserve stimulated the struggling U.S. economy by cutting interest rates to historically low levels. As a result, economic growth in the U.S. began to rise. A booming economy led to increased demand for homes and subsequently, mortgages. However, the housing boom that ensued also led to record levels of homeownership in the U.S. As a result, banks and mortgage companies had difficulty finding new homebuyers.
Lending Standards
Some lenders extended mortgages to those who couldn't otherwise qualify to capitalize on the home-buying frenzy. These homebuyers weren't approved for traditional loans because of weak credit histories or other disqualifying credit measures. These loans are called subprime loans. Subprime loans are loans made to borrowers with lower credit scores than what is typically required for traditional loans. Subprime borrowers have often been turned down by traditional lenders. As a result, subprime loans that are granted to these borrowers usually have higher interest rates than other mortgages.
During the early-to-mid 2000s, the lending standards for some lenders became so relaxed; it sparked the creation of the NINJA loan: "no income, no job, no asset—no problem." Investment firms were eager to buy these loans and repackage them as mortgage-backed securities (MBSs) and other structured credit products. A mortgage-backed security (MBS) is an investment similar to a fund that contains a basket home loans that pays a periodic interest rate. These securities were bought from the banks that issued them and sold to investors in the U.S. and internationally.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:44 pm to grizzlylongcut
They made movies about it and I don’t care what caused it I cleaned up
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:50 pm to secfballfan
quote:
Barney Frank, pushing for "affordable homes for all" while in a intimate relationship with Fannie Mae SVP...
Frank and I think Dodd both had also gotten a lot of campaign money from Fannie Mae types before all of this, and then they got to sponsor the bill for the “fix”.
This post was edited on 2/3/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:51 pm to notiger1997
The federal government did not write those loans nor did they have anything to do with the explosion of subprime loans. That was all private sector. Not a single one of those loans was backed by FHA....and they could not be underwritten for private MI because they were 1) too risky by their nature and 2) mortgage brokers were screwing people with 80/20 loans.
These loans were for the most part adjustable rate with a fix of 2, maybe 3 years with a high index rate at the adjustment time. No one in the federal government had any control over companies like New Century who then sold the loan to Lehman Bros who then securitized it and sold the damn things off in the bond market.
Fannie and Freddie got into the game late. But it got in big but it was mortgage brokers who originated and they were largely unregulated, meaning there was no involvement from the federal government in terms of the CRA which is probably getting at.
So it goes like this : 1) investment banks 2) ratings agencies 3) mortgage brokers 4) borrowers, 5) builders 6 federal government. For once the federal government was largely asleep at the wheel because these were not HUD/FHA loans
These loans were for the most part adjustable rate with a fix of 2, maybe 3 years with a high index rate at the adjustment time. No one in the federal government had any control over companies like New Century who then sold the loan to Lehman Bros who then securitized it and sold the damn things off in the bond market.
Fannie and Freddie got into the game late. But it got in big but it was mortgage brokers who originated and they were largely unregulated, meaning there was no involvement from the federal government in terms of the CRA which is probably getting at.
So it goes like this : 1) investment banks 2) ratings agencies 3) mortgage brokers 4) borrowers, 5) builders 6 federal government. For once the federal government was largely asleep at the wheel because these were not HUD/FHA loans
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:52 pm to grizzlylongcut
quote:
Everybody blames the banks in every single movie or documentary I've ever read on the matter. I've got to say that I think the US government holds most of the blame, in my opinion.
For a couple of years prior to that, people in the investment business were getting warnings about sub-prime loans.
When the housing bubble popped, many of those houses were upside down on their loans.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:54 pm to dallastigers
Frank and Dodd got a lot of money from Wall Street. Fannie was in conservatorship at the time
Popular
Back to top



0










