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re: When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:28 am to Cockopotamus
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:28 am to Cockopotamus
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Disclaimer: I do not have kids.
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Kids should not be allowed
No shite
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:43 am to Tiger1242
How timely a post! Two nights ago a group of six came into the restaurant where four of us were having a meal and they sat 2 tables down from us. The 4-5 year old boy talked continuously and was the center of attention at their table. It didn’t bother me because we had our own conversation among us. However, it was noticeable because he was loud. BTW, over time we had 5 boys. While in public we merely told them to not speak so loud as to disturb others. They understood. 
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:48 am to Tiger1242
They were a nuisance and parents should be ashamed of themselves for bringing their babies into public.....until i had kids and I decided i was the idiot before kids.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:18 am to Yewkindewit
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The 4-5 year old boy talked continuously and was the center of attention at their table. It didn’t bother me because we had our own conversation among us. However, it was noticeable because he was loud
I’m just saying as someone whose job puts me around kids all day everyday, we should not be suppressing outgoing talkative children. There are SO MANY kids today who can’t even look you in the eye and refuse to do anything social, any kid who isn’t afraid of their own shadow needs to be encouraged
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:22 am to Tiger1242
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When did society decide children in public were a nuisance?
I don't know. But God forgive you if you hand them an iPad. Because then people will be all bent out of shape because they're on THAT.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:24 am to mthorn2
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They were a nuisance and parents should be ashamed of themselves for bringing their babies into public.....until i had kids and I decided i was the idiot before kids.
For the umpteenth time, no one is blaming the kids. It's the lazy, self absorbed, non- disciplining parents who are at fault.
Take the kids outside when they become unruly. Correct them and tell them that behavior is not acceptable, and there will be consequences.
We did this dozens of times when we took our kids out to eat. Sure it was a pain in the arse, and made one of us leave a nice dinner from time to time, but it worked. They eventually became well behaved because we worked hard to get them that way.
When strangers tell you how well mannered your kids are, you know you are doing it correctly.
There should be a test you have to pass before some of the parents today are allowed to breed. They are as ill mannered as their kids.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:27 am to Tiger1242
I'm extremely pro-kid and pro-natalist. If your business advertises as no kids, etc. it immediately annoys me even if ultimately I think it's completely reasonable. It's a knee jerk reaction. In short, I'm on your side.
THAT SAID, this is just a contortion of reality. American society is way, way, way more tolerant of kids in public than decades ago. Traditionalist Americans focusing on children is much more prominent than it was decades ago. Conservative/traditional Americans may have been great parents in the 50s, but I guarantee that children were far less a centerpiece of their celebrated everday life across the board.
The disconnect is that while this is the case, there are a lot of media-driven/societal voices steering people away from families. "No children, dog friendly" sort of vibe. And our society as whole is more hostile to traditional family concepts, despite being far more centered on kid wellbeing and good parental relationships than ever before.
This isn't to say that life is better now for families than it was. I'm not sure that's the case. But it's definitely not because society used to love having kids run around in public places and now we're curmudgeonly about it.
THAT SAID, this is just a contortion of reality. American society is way, way, way more tolerant of kids in public than decades ago. Traditionalist Americans focusing on children is much more prominent than it was decades ago. Conservative/traditional Americans may have been great parents in the 50s, but I guarantee that children were far less a centerpiece of their celebrated everday life across the board.
The disconnect is that while this is the case, there are a lot of media-driven/societal voices steering people away from families. "No children, dog friendly" sort of vibe. And our society as whole is more hostile to traditional family concepts, despite being far more centered on kid wellbeing and good parental relationships than ever before.
This isn't to say that life is better now for families than it was. I'm not sure that's the case. But it's definitely not because society used to love having kids run around in public places and now we're curmudgeonly about it.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:28 am to Tiger1242
i how hard is it nowadays to control the little heathens, just put a tablet in their face
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:31 am to Tiger1242
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I feel like kids being kids in public places used to be more accepted.
Quite the opposite. Society, since the beginning of time, has traditionally been adult-centered, and children were to observe adults and act accordingly. What I see now is honestly shocking.
My theory is that parents are all so zonked out on Xanax and SSRI's that they really don't understand how annoying their kids are. A few years ago, I was having lunch at Ruth's Chris, and a few kids (in school uniforms so they should have known better) were running around and nearly knocking over servers. If I had run 3 steps in a restaurant I would have been hauled outside and likely come out in tears. My parents did not mess around.
The "gentle parenting" crowd is what has teachers leaving in droves.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:33 am to Tiger1242
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When is the last time you’ve been to a brewery? Seems like half of them are specifically designed for kids at this point.
This was an adapt or die thing. People were choosing to go to places that had stuff for kids to do so dad can get hammered on pastry stouts and milkshake IPAs in peace.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:46 am to HouseMom
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A few years ago, I was having lunch at Ruth's Chris, and a few kids (in school uniforms so they should have known better) were running around and nearly knocking over servers.
This isn’t the behavior I’m talking about, this is unacceptable
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:57 am to Tiger1242
I think I know what you're getting at, but it's probably more of a push back on seriously bad behavior that just didn't exist 15-20 years ago. Church for me is a prime example. When our kids were very little (like 3 and under), they couldn't sit through an entire Mass and got fussy around the homily, like clockwork. We would simply stand up and quietly take them outside. It's the parents that do absolutely nothing like church is a TV show and other people aren't in the room.
Nobody is upset by crying babies or toddlers being wiggly - that's just what they do, and it's often hilarious. I have a HUGE problem with parents hauling in loud crunchy feed bags to occupy their 5 year olds. This is just lazy parenting and the poor kindergarten teachers must be exhausted.
Nobody is upset by crying babies or toddlers being wiggly - that's just what they do, and it's often hilarious. I have a HUGE problem with parents hauling in loud crunchy feed bags to occupy their 5 year olds. This is just lazy parenting and the poor kindergarten teachers must be exhausted.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:58 am to Tiger1242
people complain about kids acting up sometimes but I just chalk it up to kids being kids. nothing to get excited over.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:06 am to HouseMom
When my boys were little (36 and 33, now) there were several times one of them got sent to the car while t the rest of us finished our meal in the restaurant. DCF and liberal arts majors would have a stroke if they saw that today.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:13 am to Cockopotamus
quote:breweries and bars should be forced to allow kids with their parent(s)
Kids should not be allowed at breweries/primarily drinking establishments.
Disclaimer: I do not have kids.
Disclaimer: I have knucklehead kids
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:19 am to sjmabry
quote:No Karen is the bitch who hates all children in public because she can’t enjoy here $8 Chardonnay
Because Karen will call the cops if you redirect too firmly
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:23 am to HouseMom
quote:when I was a kid and we were at some sort of party or family event, the little kids were typically sequestered to the basement or outside after a bit while the adults talked, played card games, drank, cooked, etc. Now my generation is the adults and their kids are just the main area of the house with the adults all day/night and the tv has kids shows playing. Absolutely disgusting
Society, since the beginning of time, has traditionally been adult-centered, and children were to observe adults and act accordingly. What I see now is honestly shocking.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 11:24 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:32 am to Tiger1242
Kids in public are fine. It's bad parents that make it not fine.
Wife and I were at a restaurant with friends a few days ago. Place was basically empty. A young couple came in with their kid, maybe 3-4 years old. Precious little girl but they let her run all over the restaurant. Several times she walked over to our table and just stood there, watching us. And I worried because based on her height it would have been easy to turn suddenly and she could catch an elbow.
The parents would just watch and do nothing. We made a few light hearted jokes and they got up and got her, but within seconds she was back.
It wasn't her fault. She was a little kid. But the parents were content letting her treat a restaurant like a playground.
Wife and I were at a restaurant with friends a few days ago. Place was basically empty. A young couple came in with their kid, maybe 3-4 years old. Precious little girl but they let her run all over the restaurant. Several times she walked over to our table and just stood there, watching us. And I worried because based on her height it would have been easy to turn suddenly and she could catch an elbow.
The parents would just watch and do nothing. We made a few light hearted jokes and they got up and got her, but within seconds she was back.
It wasn't her fault. She was a little kid. But the parents were content letting her treat a restaurant like a playground.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:41 am to Cockopotamus
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Kids should not be allowed at breweries
Breweries don't bother me. People aren't going to breweries and getting smashed like they would at a bar.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 12:17 pm to Tiger1242
quote:Keep your noisy assed little 4 yr. old bastard at home until you teach it some manners.
a four-year-old shouldn’t be able to sit quietly at a table for an hour
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