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re: What’s with the revisionist history on Christopher Columbus?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:29 pm to Centinel
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:29 pm to Centinel
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I just don't judge someone who lived over 600 years ago by today's standards. We've progressed as a society.
I will gladly judge someone 600 years ago for being a terrible person. It's not about today's standards. It's about simply being a decent human being. We have progressed as a society. Because this world has been a seriously fricked up place since its inception. I won't look past that just because we have advanced to where we are today.
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:30 pm to Centinel
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The "first peoples" of North America aren't even the first peoples. The true first peoples were conquered thousands of years ago.
Mormons?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:30 pm to QJenk
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It's not about today's standards.
It absolutely is.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:30 pm to QJenk
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Christopher Columbus was not a great man. He did not discover anything. He simply landed on an area that was already inhabited
And you are free to leave any time. You are living off of his "atrocities"
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:31 pm to QJenk
You have to understand the time that they came from. Spain had just finished a brutal centuries long "civil war" with the Moors who had invaded 700 years earlier. When they were finally expelled from Grenada / Andalusia, it was seen by many there and in other places in Europe as a victory for Christianity and a mandate from God himself that Christianity was the one true religion and the one true way.
The Spanish positively believed this and for all intents and purposes Spain was a quasi theocracy especially post Ferdinand and Isabella. He clerics had free reign in both Spain and later on in the New World. The natives in the Americas had not found Jesus as such it was seen as OK to enslave them so as to bring the light of Christianity to them.
Discovery (migration) is often times not a pretty thing. It's messy, it's obtrusive.
The Spanish positively believed this and for all intents and purposes Spain was a quasi theocracy especially post Ferdinand and Isabella. He clerics had free reign in both Spain and later on in the New World. The natives in the Americas had not found Jesus as such it was seen as OK to enslave them so as to bring the light of Christianity to them.
Discovery (migration) is often times not a pretty thing. It's messy, it's obtrusive.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:34 pm to Centinel
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Now we can debate if the Vikings beat him to it,
Not a whole lot of debate here Although they seemed to have kept that discovery to themselves.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:34 pm to QJenk
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will gladly judge someone 600 years ago for being a terrible person. It's not about today's standards. It's about simply being a decent human being. We have progressed as a society. Because this world has been a seriously fricked up place since its inception. I won't look past that just because we have advanced to where we are today.
Will you call yourself a terrible person then because there's almost a 100% chance people 400 years from now that's how people will view you.
Dumbass simplistic thought like yours is the reason history constantly repeats itself. You can only view things from your own lens, you have no ability to think critically.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:36 pm to QJenk
Why is Malcolm X looked at as a hero?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:40 pm to KiwiHead
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Discovery (migration) is often times not a pretty thing. It's messy, it's obtrusive.
Yep, just watch what we do to those aliens on that moon of Jupiter when we find them.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:41 pm to QJenk
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I will gladly judge someone 600 years ago for being a terrible person. It's not about today's standards. It's about simply being a decent human being. We have progressed as a society. Because this world has been a seriously fricked up place since its inception. I won't look past that just because we have advanced to where we are today.
You need to just stop digging that hole. You are entitled to your own opinion but all you are doing is expressing your lack of critical thinking skills.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
If you guys were willing to think critically no one would have to.pretend that belief in a murder buys you into heaven or that the creator of life itself gave rules to live by, and the keeper of those rules broke the object on which the rules were etched by lightning, and then left the pieces in the desert. There's a similar tale in johnny come lately Mormon lore. In that case the tablets were buried in upstate N.Y.
I have invented the word bogosity for use in these cases.
I have invented the word bogosity for use in these cases.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:42 pm to CelticDog
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When the Klingons and Gikg6s show up in the "New world" hope they abide by the cultural non interference code.
Should they have just turned around and gone home after they realized the people on the new land the were thousands of years behind?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:43 pm to QJenk
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I will gladly judge someone 600 years ago for being a terrible person. It's not about today's standards. It's about simply being a decent human being. We have progressed as a society. Because this world has been a seriously fricked up place since its inception. I won't look past that just because we have advanced to where we are today.
Do you not understand what "being a decent human being" meant then is not the same as today?
Those people - both conqueror and conquered - lived by a very different moral framework - one in which "being a decent human being" according to your standards had zero reference - than someone like you who was raised in 20th and 21st century America.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:43 pm to CelticDog
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If you guys were willing to think critically no one would have to.pretend that belief in a murder buys you into heaven or that the creator of life itself gave rules to live by, and the keeper of those rules broke the object on which the rules were etched by lightning, and then left the pieces in the desert. There's a similar tale in johnny come lately Mormon lore. In that case the tablets were buried in upstate N.Y.
Wanna try that again?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:47 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Do you not understand what "being a decent human being" meant then is not the same as today?
I don't know what you're talking about. The natives of the lands Columbus came across wouldn't have killed every last man on that boat if they could. They were an altruistic society violated by the West.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:48 pm to CelticDog
Critical thought and faith can operate simultaneously.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:49 pm to TulaneFan
I never learned anything about Christopher Columbus when I was a kid other than he discovered America.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Apparently these guys think they should have just left the vast land for the primitive people. Could you imagine the world today if everyone were still in Europe and Asia and our ancestors just left this land alone because it's not right to take over an inferior culture? Some of the shite that happened is unfortunate yes but don't act like the natives were running a utopia when euros showed up.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:54 pm to TulaneFan
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Look it up fool
In fricking what? A history book? Like the kind your OP is challenging?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:55 pm to High C
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God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.
God didn't know moonlight and sunlight comes from the same source?
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 5:56 pm
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