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re: What’s with the revisionist history on Christopher Columbus?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:09 pm to TulaneFan
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:09 pm to TulaneFan
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As most of us already know, Columbus was a murderous and vindictive tyrant who was selling 10 year old girls into sexual slavery, etc.
So, technically, he was the first Hollywood actor?
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:11 pm to TulaneFan
Too much soy in Tulane
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:19 pm to TH03
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I don’t think he’s portrayed as anything but the guy who “found” America.
Who recorded his find and had witnesses.
BTW America is a good Italian name:Italy:
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:20 pm to TulaneFan
Basically the same guy as modern day CEOs.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:22 pm to beerJeep
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Smallpox and other European diseases are the culprit. Has zero to do with any “atrocities” columbo did or didn’t do
Indeed, I didn't intend to imply otherwise. In fact those diseases were a huge factor in the conquest of the Aztec and Inca, making Spain the world power of the time.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:37 pm to TulaneFan
quote:That smells like total bullshite along with most of the estimates of native numbers during those days.
that an estimated 50,000 native Americans committed suicide because
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:41 pm to TulaneFan
Christopher Columbus was not a great man. He did not discover anything. He simply landed on an area that was already inhabited, and proceeded to enslave or kill the natives off so that he could call the land his own.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:43 pm to Centinel
Some things, such as murder, rape, and slavery should never be ok. No matter what time period. Treating people as though they are less than a human for no reason at all should have never been acceptable.
Just because everyone around you is doing something doesnr make it right.
Just because everyone around you is doing something doesnr make it right.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:48 pm to QJenk
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He did not discover anything.
He discovered the New World for the crown of Spain, and a good chunk of the entire planet. Now we can debate if the Vikings beat him to it, but until Columbus, Europe and Asia had no knowledge of the new world.
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and proceeded to enslave or kill the natives
He did this, but his impact was nothing compared to the diseases that he and other explorers brought. It's disingenuous to attribute the eradication of the natives as solely his fault, or goal.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:48 pm to QJenk
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Christopher Columbus was not a great man. He did not discover anything. He simply landed on an area that was already inhabited, and proceeded to enslave or kill the natives off so that he could call the land his own.
He discovered it for Europe. He discovered new lands for them to conquer and expand to. He discovered new trade routes.
What do people expect would've happened if Columbus had not found the New World? Would the Indians still be living in their fake peaceful society today?
No. Someone else would've discovered it and been just as vicious and the same result or worse would've happened.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:48 pm to QJenk
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He simply landed on an area that was already inhabited, and proceeded to enslave or kill the natives off so that he could call the land his own.
Well this isn't really what happened at all
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:49 pm to QJenk
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Treating people as though they are less than a human for no reason at all should have never been acceptable.
Irrelevant. It was acceptable, and widespread. And had been going on since the dawn of man.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:51 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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What do people expect would've happened if Columbus had not found the New World? Would the Indians still be living in their fake peaceful society today?
No. Someone else would've discovered it and been just as vicious and the same result or worse would've happened.
You mean like the multiple waves of people coming over the land bridge from Asia that subsequently wiped out the current native population?
The "first peoples" of North America aren't even the first peoples. The true first peoples were conquered thousands of years ago.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:54 pm to TulaneFan
When he was made a holy day, it was perceived as balm to Italians, who were scorned as honorary black people by high society.
As for the Spanish I had the disgusting task of reading Latin American history, 1 and 2.
The church was responsible for the attitude. Men were responsible for stealing gold.
their use of force against less well armed native populations was not questioned.
When the Klingons and Gikg6s show up in the "New world" hope they abide by the cultural non interference code.
As for the Spanish I had the disgusting task of reading Latin American history, 1 and 2.
The church was responsible for the attitude. Men were responsible for stealing gold.
their use of force against less well armed native populations was not questioned.
When the Klingons and Gikg6s show up in the "New world" hope they abide by the cultural non interference code.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 4:57 pm to Centinel
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Irrelevant. It was acceptable, and widespread. And had been going on since the dawn of man.
Just because it happened for a long time doesn't make it ok.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:01 pm to QJenk
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Just because it happened for a long time doesn't make it ok.
I never said it did. I just don't judge someone who lived over 600 years ago by today's standards. We've progressed as a society.
It's like judging a child's actions by adult standards. The child is wrong, but the child has not matured enought to understand why it's wrong.
This post was edited on 7/11/18 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:07 pm to Centinel
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It's like judging a child's actions by adult standards. The child is wrong, but the child has not matured enought to understand why it's wrong
I still haven't figured out whats so hard to understand about this.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:12 pm to TulaneFan
TBH I'm fine with a broad brush in elementary school. Get into the nuances later.
Columbus was an ogre, but he was a man of his times. Honorable people are the exception in any era. People 500 years from now will probably think our heroes were shitty human beings, and they'll probably be right.
Columbus was an ogre, but he was a man of his times. Honorable people are the exception in any era. People 500 years from now will probably think our heroes were shitty human beings, and they'll probably be right.
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:21 pm to QJenk
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Just because it happened for a long time doesn't make it ok.
You have to realize that is a huge oversimplification. Don't you?
Posted on 7/11/18 at 5:21 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Just tell anyone who goes on this rant that in 400 years everyone will think they are a POS too.
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