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re: What is your true opinion on anti-vaxxing/anti-vaxxers? *Pre-COVID edition
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:42 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Uh, we constantly remind patients about BMI and trying to improve their diet.
Free McDonalds if you get a Covid test
A dozen free donuts if you get a vaccination
Not once has JBE or any of the Dr’s he’s had on stage mentioned anything about getting exercise or eating healthy
In fact, the only thing I recall is JBE & Cassidy blaming food deserts & maki g excuses for people
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Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:42 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
I trust the FDA regarding vaccines during the middle of a pandemic. So yea. Vaccines are ok. What'a not ok is how next they're going to be a put electronic chips in everyone so they can track and exactly where I am.
Ant-vaxxers should go protest at the US Capital.
Ant-vaxxers should go protest at the US Capital.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:42 pm to GumboPot
quote:If you have had a previous organ transplant you have to take immunosuppressant meds so that your body doesn't attack the transplanted organ. You think that person shouldn't take the vaccine?
Because it's not appropriate for a disease that has a greater than 99.7% survival rate and living without a kidney probably has a lot less of a survival rate.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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Uh, we constantly remind patients about BMI and trying to improve their diet. Given that people are fat as shite, compliance is going about as well as educating you morons on immunology. Also there is a meaningful difference between metabolic diseases which cause sequelae which have diffuse social costs, spread out over a long period of time, and a directly infectious disease spread through droplet transmission.
I think you're both right
No doubt physicians (and until recent years, the medical community at large) have promoted healthy eating, maintaining a healthy weight, etc.
That said, and while it's not a useful "fix" for Covid, it makes no sense that media, government, healthcare institutions, etc. haven't been beating the country over the head with "being fat isn't just something you have to worry about 20, 30 years from now" narrative. Why aren't they? It costs nothing?
The reason is obviously that they're concerned that it'll muddy the message on the vaccine, which is a horrible reason not to tell the truth.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:45 pm to Cosmo
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This is like putting the same tap water in bottles with different labels and arguing they are different
I know what it's like. I'm not arguing likeness.
Neglecting to provide information to your patient that the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine is not FDA approve as required by the FDA is not like unethical or malpractice, it is unethical and malpractice.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:45 pm to lsunurse
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Im sure most everyone (especially if you are in Louisiana or other states with low vaccine rates) knows of families that lost a parent cause they chose not to get vaccinated and lost that gamble….
People lose parents to dumbass decisions all the time. Smokers get cancer and die. People eat too much crap, develop diabetes and all sorts of other health issues, ignore them, and die. People drive drunk, get in accidents, and die.
Plenty of examples of what people SHOULD do, but fail to do.
But there are also examples of people doing what they should do and still dying. I know people who got vaccinated, and still got sick and died. They weren't in great health already, and did what they were supposed to do.
Still. Didn't. Matter.
It's easy to look back and criticize someone for a decision they made, or didn't make. What purpose does it serve?
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:46 pm to adp
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I trust the FDA regarding vaccines during the middle of a pandemic. So yea. Vaccines are ok. What'a not ok is how next they're going to be a put electronic chips in everyone so they can track and exactly where I am.
Ant-vaxxers should go protest at the US Capital.
there's a lot of crazy to unpack with this random set of statements.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:46 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Unfortunately politics infested this topic.
Thing is, the vaccines we grew up taking had years upon years of research and study to look at. If you’re anti-vax on those that have been around for decades you’re an idiot.
It’s safe to say Covid vax isn’t even a vax at this point, it’s just a shot that will need endless boosters. No long term data points either, I’m sorry but a year isn’t shite for complications to manifest.
I’m still waiting on my polio booster.
Thing is, the vaccines we grew up taking had years upon years of research and study to look at. If you’re anti-vax on those that have been around for decades you’re an idiot.
It’s safe to say Covid vax isn’t even a vax at this point, it’s just a shot that will need endless boosters. No long term data points either, I’m sorry but a year isn’t shite for complications to manifest.
I’m still waiting on my polio booster.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:47 pm to LSUJML
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Free McDonalds if you get a Covid test
A dozen free donuts if you get a vaccination
Not once has JBE or any of the Dr’s he’s had on stage mentioned anything about getting exercise or eating healthy
And that is absolutely a failure of social policy, among the laundry list we’ve already seen. That still doesn’t change the fact that patients aren’t very compliant with regard to weight issues regardless, nor does it change the fact that COVID is a respiratory illness which is infectious, and thus not at all like a metabolic disorder.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:47 pm to Epic Cajun
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If you have had a previous organ transplant you have to take immunosuppressant meds so that your body doesn't attack the transplanted organ. You think that person shouldn't take the vaccine?
If you are taking immunosuppressants why would a vaccine work? Explain that one to me please.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:48 pm to Cowboyfan89
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It's easy to look back and criticize someone for a decision they made, or didn't make. What purpose does it serve?
Studying history so it doesn't repeat itself.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:50 pm to Cowboyfan89
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It's easy to look back and criticize someone for a decision they made, or didn't make. What purpose does it serve?
I'd frame it differently. If you're on this board ranting about untold secret deaths from the vaccine poison and you didn't get it, die and leave your kids without a dad...
...that's a mistake. Huge one. Your all-consuming obsession left your kids without a dad, most likely. I think it's reasonable to look at that with sadness and an eye toward not letting other people end up with that tragedy.
But, I do agree that our culture glosses over tons of other reckless and irresponsible behavior that has similar impacts. It's not en vogue to criticize those people who or to make an example of them. And that's what they want to do with the COVID deaths - make an example of them. Which I distinguish from people who earnestly want to use them as a cautionary tale.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:51 pm to Cosmo
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Excellent bump
Awesome to see how this board used to look at antivaxxers
As the OP of the thread, I’ll give my updated views.
I still believe the arguments of the traditional anti-vaxxers (those against the vaccines we get as kids), are still stupid. The arguments about autism still don’t carry anymore weight then they did in 2019 when I started this thread. I’m more understanding of those who question the COVID vaccine, given the short length of time it has been around. In either regard, I haven’t argued against freedom to make your own choices.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:51 pm to Obtuse1
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Studying history so it doesn't repeat itself.
and yet, Dr Fauci is on tv almost every night.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:52 pm to GumboPot
quote:It doesn't matter who I quote, or what source I use, it will not be good enough for your obtuse arse
If you are taking immunosuppressants why would a vaccine work? Explain that one to me please.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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Uh, we constantly remind patients about BMI and trying to improve their diet. Given that people are fat as shite, compliance is going about as well as educating you morons on immunology. Also there is a meaningful difference between metabolic diseases which cause sequelae which have diffuse social costs, spread out over a long period of time, and a directly infectious disease spread through droplet transmission.
Got it. People are too stupid to make appropriate life choices so you have to save the day by giving them a shot. Literally we were giving the shot out with a free donuts or McDonald’s. And there are headlines of “perfectly healthy” yet morbidly obese teen dead from Covid.
All kidding aside I believe the actual doctors have been telling their patients about BMI issues but the world says that is “fat shaming” and big is beautiful. Our food industry is to set up to be addictive and the addictive things are just terrible for us. You want to eliminate a lot of health problems then ban soft drinks or refined sugar. That will actually make a difference in the long run bc as you imply people are just too stupid to make the proper life choices.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:54 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Vaccinations are a personal choice! Your family, your call!
I do not care eather way, becasue this COVID BS is overblown....
Live your life and move on!
I do not care eather way, becasue this COVID BS is overblown....
Live your life and move on!
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:57 pm to Obtuse1
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Studying history so it doesn't repeat itself.
Meanwhile we've created a legit second class of citizen with the insane polices that have come out the last year, and vax mandate protesters in Italy are being fire hosed in the streets.
Not the most ideal history to repeat, though I suppose opinions on that might vary on this board.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 3:00 pm to oldskule
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Vaccinations are a personal choice! Your family, your call!
I do not care eather way, becasue this COVID BS is overblown....
Live your life and move on!
This
Posted on 10/11/21 at 3:03 pm to oldskule
quote:
Vaccinations are a personal choice! Your family, your call!
I do not care eather way, becasue this COVID BS is overblown....
Live your life and move on!
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