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re: What Cash for Clunkers did to the car market
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:21 pm to boxcarbarney
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:21 pm to boxcarbarney
Wasn't this supposed to "boost the economy"? AKA specifically help the auto industry? because of the hits they took from the great recession?
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Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:49 pm to Napoleon
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I agree. I had a 2022 Ford van. Transmission out at 24,000.
My daily now is a near 20 year old lexus that I can work on myself.
Gonna keep it till the wheels fall off then but a 15 year old lexus.
Lexus' are the best cars around. I don't think I will ever drive anything else. Have been driving them since I was a teenager. What 20 year old lexus do you have?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:02 pm to SidewalkTiger
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9 1991–1994 Ford Explorer 11,612
Seeing this hurt my soul a little bit
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:03 pm to Afrojedi
Wonder how many of those cars were hunter green?
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:49 pm to UltimaParadox
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Modern vehicles statistically more reliable than those 20+ years ago
I hear this statistic but then I hear about constant electronic gremlins and transmission fails and lifter problems and timing chains etc etc across just about all brands. Recall after recall. Countless auto channels on YouTube talking about the high complexity of modern cars due to fuel/emission standards. Reddit forums chock full of people with failed new trucks and it’s hard to believe the stat.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:52 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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One of the toughest vehicles ever made.
had a 96 cherokee. thing ran like a goddamn tank
sold it at 100k miles and got a 99 suburban, which was the biggest lemon ever
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:59 pm to beaux duke
A friend of mine bought one with a salvage title because of flooding. It never gave him a problem.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 11:09 pm to Afrojedi
It’s 1:00 am.
Imagine driving the Lower 9th and your car says it’s shutting down.
Imagine driving the Lower 9th and your car says it’s shutting down.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 11:59 pm to Chalkywhite84
Gx470.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:43 am to CBDTiger
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Try finding a 90's BMW 530i V8 with 5-speed today
my 2001 325xi touring wagon, 5 speed manual, got totaled by a bunch of kids in a stolen car last year
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:53 am to BabyTac
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Anything built post Covid is a streaming pile of shite. I would never purchase a post 2020 vehicle.
I bought a 2023 BMX IX M60 and it is fantastic.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 7:11 am to biglego
Lies, damn lies, and statistics
Ask any seasoned mechanic or shop owner about the durability and repairability of vehicles from 20years ago vs the last 5 years.
Ask any seasoned mechanic or shop owner about the durability and repairability of vehicles from 20years ago vs the last 5 years.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 7:51 am to biglego
This is not an answer to the question:
Are modern vehicles statistically more reliable than those 20+ years ago?
But still an interesting reflection on that question.
LINK https://www.curbsideclassic.com/analysis/new-vs-old-which-is-better-the-difference-is-only-as-big-as-you-make-it/
TLDR
Are modern vehicles statistically more reliable than those 20+ years ago?
But still an interesting reflection on that question.
LINK https://www.curbsideclassic.com/analysis/new-vs-old-which-is-better-the-difference-is-only-as-big-as-you-make-it/
TLDR
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If you have a running and driving car that’s over 40 years old or more, regardless of the amount of work it needed to get there, that’s still impressive considering it was not made to last that long. Because no car or any consumer product for that matter is or ever was made to last that long,
Do you think any of the Ford Model T’s were made to last 100 years? Do you think any of the 1960s muscle cars were made to last 50 years? No, of course not, but some of them did, because someone cared about it enough to keep it going.
I can only hope that the passion for maintaining a vehicle for an extended period of time continues through the 21st century, even though I have serious doubts that most of the new cars will age well, I still think it’s worth trying to keep them on the road for the 30 years or longer.
And I know i’m not the only one who thinks that, but if anyone ever asks me what’s better? old cars or new cars, I’m just going to tell them “Buy whatever makes you happy.”
Posted on 3/9/26 at 7:51 am to biglego
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I hear this statistic but then I hear about constant electronic gremlins and transmission fails and lifter problems and timing chains etc etc across just about all brands
The poster you replied to is a leftist. They saw a thread discussing something negative Obama did, so the natural instinct is to "ackshually" the thread.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:20 am to Turnblad85
In some ways durability and repairability are 2 different things.
One advantage over newer cars, is that older ones are easier to fix. Access is often better and fewer tools required.
Now, a module craps out and you might not be able to find a replacement (eg Jeep ABS module) and now you have an otherwise fine piece of lawn art.
My 80 CJ7 was easier to work on than my 2000 TJ which in turn was much easier than our 2015 JK.
One advantage over newer cars, is that older ones are easier to fix. Access is often better and fewer tools required.
Now, a module craps out and you might not be able to find a replacement (eg Jeep ABS module) and now you have an otherwise fine piece of lawn art.
My 80 CJ7 was easier to work on than my 2000 TJ which in turn was much easier than our 2015 JK.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:29 am to SludgeFactory
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The poster you replied to is a leftist. They saw a thread discussing something negative Obama did, so the natural instinct is to "ackshually" the thread.
He said
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Modern vehicles statistically more reliable than those 20+ years ago
Cars are one of those subjects where people often looking at the past with halcyon shades. They can reference the specific outliers and ignore all the rest of the data points. Modern cars, at least until the Covid era (as it's too soon to tell) are more reliable and last longer. Their power trains, core components, bodies, etc. are much more durable and reliable. They require less day to day maintenance (although repair is more difficult and complex).
Cars from the 80s, once they got the hang of the new fuel standards, became much more reliable than the ones from the past eras. I'm sure that there were plenty of people in the mid-80s through the 90s talking shite incorrectly about those cars, the same way people who now cherish those same cars today treat the current models. The circle of life continues.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:35 am to TigersnJeeps
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durability and reparability are 2 different things.
absolutely.
A module can be on top of the engine held on with 2 10mm bolts and removed in 1minute. But if its on perpetual backorder from the OEM and China can't make a functioning replacement then it doesn't matter how easy it is to remove. Your car is a brick.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Their power trains, core components, bodies, etc. are much more durable and reliable.
bruh, stick to lawyerin
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:39 am to Turnblad85
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bruh, stick to lawyerin
Nothing I said was incorrect.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:43 am to Penrod
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I bought a 2023 BMX IX M60 and it is fantastic.
possibly one of the fugliest vehicles ever conceived.
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