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re: We Wuz Native Americans?

Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:16 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:16 pm to
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They are all hell holes.


That's because they run under tribal sovereignty with the tribal government usually running business licenses, courts, housing and some aspects of land. For that last point, most reservation lands are held in a federal land grant and that means individuals cannot easily own or borrow against it. This makes it nearly impossible to get mortgages, start businesses, or use land as collateral.

Now compound that with the fact that on many reservations, the same small group of tribal leaders control politics, courts, police, and economic decisions. The more power you concentrate into fewer hands, the more you risk corruption and nepotism (which is indeed common).

There are a few who have succeeded at making something of their lands (the Mashantucket Pequot or Shakopee Mdewakanton, for example) but it takes good governance and decent locations.
Posted by MRTigerFan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
7451 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:23 pm to
This one's Creek name is "Dances with weaves"

Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
3272 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:23 pm to
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The courts already ruled that...

Their courts numbnuts.

Nothing to do with the US federal courts



Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13748 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:24 pm to
Everything you love about Native Americans ……………
Posted by sitd
Member since Mar 2026
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Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:33 pm to
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Nothing to do with the US federal courts



It does.

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It says that Hill and the citizenship board are violating an 1866 treaty between the tribe and the U.S. government by refusing to recognize Black Creek Freedmen as citizens as ordered by the Muscogee Nation Supreme Court in July 2025.


The treaty was between the Indians and the US government. Article 2 is plain as day:
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The Creeks hereby covenant and agree that henceforth neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes, whereof the parties shall have been duly convicted in accordance with laws applicable to all members of said tribe, shall ever exist in said nation; and inasmuch as there are among the Creeks many persons of African descent, who have no interest in the soil, it is stipulated that hereafter these persons lawfully residing in said Creek country under their laws and usages, or who have been thus residing in said country, and may return within one year from the ratification of this treaty, and their descendants and such others of the same race as may be permitted by the laws of the said nation to settle within the limits of the jurisdiction of the Creek Nation as citizens [thereof,] shall have and enjoy all the rights and privileges of native citizens, including an equal interest in the soil and national funds, and the laws of the said nation shall be equally binding upon and give equal protection to all such persons, and all others, of whatsoever race or color, who may be adopted as citizens or members of said tribe.


That's why they're suing.
This post was edited on 7/28/26 at 7:41 pm
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
La
Member since Jun 2018
1030 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:33 pm to
They need to search Pastor James David Manning, he lectures his brethren on all the things they think they’ve made great.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
42073 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:38 pm to
They introduced the apostrophe to the Creek language.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
16110 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:38 pm to
There’s big money waiting in your mailbox if you’re an official “citizen” of the Muscogee Creek Indian Nation.

They want that casino money.

Posted by LCA131
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Member since Feb 2008
77815 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:45 pm to
The Creeks should say, 'we have no poll tax, literacy test, etc.
But to be a Creek, you must swim...
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
3272 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

The treaty was between the Indians and the US government. Article 2 is plain as day:

quote:
The Creeks hereby covenant and agree that henceforth neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes, whereof the parties shall have been duly convicted in accordance with laws applicable to all members of said tribe, shall ever exist in said nation; and inasmuch as there are among the Creeks many persons of African descent, who have no interest in the soil, it is stipulated that hereafter these persons lawfully residing in said Creek country under their laws and usages, or who have been thus residing in said country, and may return within one year from the ratification of this treaty, and their descendants and such others of the same race as may be permitted by the laws of the said nation to settle within the limits of the jurisdiction of the Creek Nation as citizens [thereof,] shall have and enjoy all the rights and privileges of native citizens, including an equal interest in the soil and national funds, and the laws of the said nation shall be equally binding upon and give equal protection to all such persons, and all others, of whatsoever race or color, who may be adopted as citizens or members of said tribe.



The Tribal court ruled
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they lacked a lineal native ancestor.

You failed to bold this part
quote:

it is stipulated that hereafter these persons lawfully residing in said Creek country under their laws and usages, or who have been thus residing in said country, and may return within one year from the ratification of this treaty,



Either way, The US federal court does not care what a Tribal court rules or has ruled.
This lawsuit stands on its own without precedence from a prior court.


Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5661 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 7:55 pm to
AP also conveniently ignored the fact that eligibility doesn’t guarantee admission.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
12306 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 8:54 pm to
Obligatory: everything that's good about the Indian nation is because of us.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28297 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 9:59 pm to
Native American lineage is pretty strict. I don’t think you can just be descendent and gain access.
Posted by PGAOLDBAWNevahBroke
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:07 pm to
Underrated comment
Posted by rexorotten
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Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:16 pm to
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
3494 posts
Posted on 7/28/26 at 10:33 pm to
Tell your people to stop being dumbasses
Posted by Oneforthemoney
A town near you, la
Member since Dec 2013
2573 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 5:32 am to
Destroyers of everything. Builders of nothing.
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1838 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 6:35 am to
It’s called a “high comma” in their native language.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
7391 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 6:40 am to
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They're legally entitled to tribal citizenship. It's a legitimate lawsuit.


I'm not sure I understand the legal wording, but I'm on the Chickasaw Indian Role (Winstar Indian). The process to get your tribal ID and CDIB is pretty straight forward. You prove ancestry back to either a parent, grandparent, great grandparent etc. . . that is on the Chickasaw Indian Role, or prove lineage back to someone who was on the Dawes Indian Role.

Sounds like they weren't denied based on race, but based on an update to the constitution that was ruled on in 2025 maybe?

The article doesn't address the requirements for the Muscogee Nation.

And for those who are curious, most of the nation's benefits are for low income families, but they do have some cool shite also. They have a down payment assistance for your first home, I can get a credit for a storm shelter, they have nursery packages where you can get a good bit of sod one time, an you can get trees and shrubs on an annual basis. The health care options are pretty good with the tribe as well. I was exempt from Obamacare enrollment due to having access to the Reservation's health care.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117708 posts
Posted on 7/29/26 at 6:41 am to
Welp... considering the USA violated every treaty it ever signed with an Indian tribe, I think it's about their turn.
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