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re: University of California abolishes sat/act testing requirement
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:58 pm to Sun God
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:58 pm to Sun God
People bitch about the effort it takes to review 100 job applications. Right now schools auto admit a group with high test scores auto reject a group with low ones and then there’s some subjective criteria that admissions mulls over for a small portion of acceptances.
It’s virtually impossible for any admissions committee to subjectively review 100,000+ applications. Just consider the size an admissions department would need to be if each application received just 5 minutes of consideration.
It’s virtually impossible for any admissions committee to subjectively review 100,000+ applications. Just consider the size an admissions department would need to be if each application received just 5 minutes of consideration.
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
There should be testing regarding the effectiveness of tests...
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:03 pm to Dire Wolf
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A lot of people will here will probably shite on this because it's California
Don't the residents of California already do that for us? Like....literally?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:05 pm to Breesus
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To do well you either have to have a high IQ or work your arse off or both.
This is completely wrong. The only thing those test show is the ability of the student to take the test. There is no correlation between high score on these test and outcomes.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:09 pm to Dire Wolf
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lot of people will here will probably shite on this because it's California but those test are worthless
With this grammar I assume you didn't do well.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:13 pm to EmperorGout
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They don't need to alter jack shite to have an enormous applicant pool which they have every single fricking year. Those scores in and of themselves were subjective anyway.
Yeah, I went to graduate school at UC San Diego and sorting through applications was attached to our teaching positions.
The pool of applicants was already narrowed by a minimum 3.0 GPA for in-state and 3.5 for out of state and only around 20% were accepted in the years I was there.
Even back then, SAT/ACT scores were not something we considered in ordering the applicants though I'm sure the minimum scores meant some students didn't apply.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:20 pm to FreddieMac
quote:The “ability of the student to take the test” is an indicator of intelligence.
This is completely wrong. The only thing those test show is the ability of the student to take the test. There is no correlation between high score on these test and outcomes.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:23 pm to wm72
What other criteria were used?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So Aunt Becky is going to prison for nothing now.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:32 pm to crazyatthecamp
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Maybe I am way off. Maybe there is much more to the story than the headline and beginning of article. I am open to hearing a different perspective.
The UC system has already had numerous, various programs in place to create a student body that is at least somewhat representative of their communities at large for decades.
If anything, this probably streamlines many of those programs since, generally, exceptions for students in the top % of local high school classes or those with exemplary statements / essays and extracurricular achievements were usually due to stellar applications with a slightly lower ACT/SAT score.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:34 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Good. Assessments like that have been consistently questioned in validity and reliability
By idiots.
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They need to look at the whole picture of the incoming student, not just the assessment scores.
What makes you think they don't?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:45 pm to BluegrassBelle
How can you evaluate 100,000 applicants to UCLA without test scores? There are too many grading systems and too many different types of high schools.
You need a standardized test that everyone takes under the same conditions.
You need a standardized test that everyone takes under the same conditions.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:00 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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You need a standardized test that everyone takes under the same conditions.
Which is why we lag behind asian nations in the education arena. This nation needs to establish multiple grade level standardize tests. Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, and other top professions all take the same or virtually the same licensure examinations across state lines in terms of content. Every school needs to be shooting for the same standard. Simply identifying what kids need to know by the time they finish each grade level is half the battle.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:02 pm to BluegrassBelle
We will be a country of bumbling morons by mid century. Fortunately I will probably have checked out by then.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:04 pm to Ssubba
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Simply identifying what kids need to know by the time they finish each grade level is half the battle.
Knowing is the other half.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
High School performance has historically been a better indicator. That and maturity. Kids who have been in the military do better in college than most.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:12 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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How can you evaluate 100,000 applicants to UCLA without test scores
By race/ethnicity and income.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:16 pm to BluegrassBelle
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They need to look at the whole picture of the incoming student, not just the assessment scores.
Just another excuse for diversity. This is a race toward mediocrity.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:16 pm to wm72
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What other criteria were used?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:29 pm to Sun God
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What other criteria were used?
From what I did personally, we looked mainly at application statements and essays.
(I should add though, at UCSD, I was mainly narrowing down a lot of applicants that already had extremely high GPAs and test scores, almost all were well over the minimum requirements.
My guess is that the UC system will "replace" the ACT/SAT with some type of other requirement that limits prospective applicants to a manageable number.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 10:05 pm
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