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re: Undersea volcanic eruption in Tonga - tsunami hits - US West Coast warned

Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:22 pm to
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:22 pm to
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Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apa

Didn’t he play left tackle for Washington State?


BYU
Posted by biohzrd
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:23 pm to
Has the Cajun Navy mobilized yet? Not sure if the surface drives can handle the trip.
Posted by tokenBoiler
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:24 pm to
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Lots of fish vaporized
Any of you OT ballers going to the boil got room for another? My plane's in the shop.
Posted by Oates Mustache
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:27 pm to
So I'm going to ask an incredibly dumb question. I'm going to be the dumb question of the day guy today. If a major hurricane was going right over the same exact area that this underwater volcano erupted and spewed Ash into the air, how much of a difference would it make in the intensity of this hurricane?

It seems like it could have a pretty decent impact on one.
Posted by tokenBoiler
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:31 pm to
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f we had good enough radar, we'd probably see actual rotation couplets withing the giant plume.
So how soon should we expect the sharknado to hit Los Angeles?
Posted by real turf fan
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Anywhere showing the size of this eruption in comparison to others? Mt. St. Helens, Pinatubo, Krakatoa?


I doubt that anyone will say that this is over.
With the ones you listed, they're above ground and in the case of Krakatoa above sea level when it happened. Krakatoa is still active and rebuilding its main cone as well as a side cone.
I don't know anything about Pinatubo. St. Helens was different in blowing out the side of the mountain.

For comparison, Katmai might be interesting and bothersome.
If the multiple volcanoes out on the Aleutian Arc and subduction zone might be comparables in formation and duration.

Until we hear what kind (?kinds) of lava, etc. were ejected, I don't think anyone will dare predict that it's over. Then the aftershock seismic reports will be really interesting. The seismic reports did show something was happening, but not what, from the vague reports in news media today.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:35 pm to
Some girls like them smaller. I’ve been told mine can hurt it’s so big.
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:37 pm to

I actually think that is a fine question. Going to take a few draws from the pen and ponder it.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:41 pm to
Pinatubo is in the Philippines, and erupted in the early 90's, I believe. The US had an airfield which was buried, and we ended up abandoning it rather than trying to dig out and rebuild.


I'm no volcanologist, but I think Krakatoa was considered the largest eruption in modern (1800's?) times. Pinatubo put out massive amounts of ash. Far more than St. Helens, which despite its signature cone devastation, was the smaller of the 3, yet still iconic in its own right.


* grabbed from Twitter -

Yesterday's eruption on Hunga-Tonga Island was so massive that a pressure wave circled the planet. A pressure anomaly was recorded at stations throughout the Czech Republic. This is, for example, the Libušín station operated by CHMI.

#cesko #sopka #pocasi #sopka #CzechRepublic #volcano


Twitter link

Not noticeable to the humans standing outside, but the instruments sure did pick it up.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 5:57 pm
Posted by biohzrd
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 5:55 pm to
All of those volcanos were on land. Can only imagine if this one would have been not underwater.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:10 pm to
Being underwater would dampen the force, but it wouldn't change the actual power of the eruption. Just defuse and spread it out some.
Posted by BigWillyMetry
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:41 pm to
These eruptions are due to climate change guys

/sarc
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:51 pm to
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I'm no volcanologist, but I think Krakatoa was considered the largest eruption in modern (1800's?) times.


Evidently, the dust cloud made for some stunning sunrises and sunsets. Supposedly, this can be seen in the painting by Edvard Munch...”The Scream.”

Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:58 pm to
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So I'm going to ask an incredibly dumb question. I'm going to be the dumb question of the day guy today. If a major hurricane was going right over the same exact area that this underwater volcano erupted and spewed Ash into the air, how much of a difference would it make in the intensity of this hurricane?

It seems like it could have a pretty decent impact on one



TL:DR

The hurricane would pick up ash and glass fragments and sling it everywhere.



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This Is What Would Happen If A Volcano Erupted Into The Eye Of A Hurricane

It’s peak hurricane season in the Atlantic right now, and Harvey and Irma have been flooding US states and tearing apart Caribbean Islands to unprecedented degrees. If you’d like a serious discussion on the science behind these – and how they might link to climate change – I suggest you click here and here, but if you’ve decided you have had enough of all the doom and gloom and want some more bonkers science instead, then I bid you welcome, dear reader.

To wit, have you ever wondered what would happen if a volcano erupted during a hurricane. Specially, if it erupted within a hurricane’s eye? I have, and I’ve got some rather strange images to put into your head. I suppose you could say that this post was inspired by an Eminem lyric about a volcano meeting a tornado, but because I’m inclined towards the more apocalyptic, I’ve amped things up a bit.

Let’s assume the volcano is a stratovolcano, and is it’s erupting explosively. You’ve got an eruption column rising up from the vent into the sky, and there are pyroclastic flows rolling down its slopes. Let’s also assume this is a single volcano island, a bit like Mount Erebus on Antarctica’s Ross Island.

Now, the hurricane. Hurricanes, or tropical cyclones if you will, are low pressure monsters. This causes high pressure winds to rush into the center and fill the gap, but thanks to the rotation of the Earth, the Coriolis Effect pulls all these wind currents to the right. This has the overall effect of causing hurricanes in the Northern Hemisphere to spin counter-clockwise, and vice versa in the Southern Hemisphere.

So what would happen if a Category 5 hurricane sat directly over an erupting volcano? Well, it’d make a mess, potentially, but not much of one. The volcanic debris – ash, lava and bombs – would fly up into the extremely low pressure eye. Although warm air rises up through the core of hurricanes, the air there is still relatively cool, at least compared to fresh volcanic debris.

This means that all the lava would rapidly cool into ash and volcanic glass fragments, and will then be sucked up in the rotating winds and be dumped, at speeds of 252 kilometers per hour or above, over an area – if the average hurricane is anything to go by – 563 kilometers, more than the average width of a US state. With exceptions for the most explosive of eruptions, this would spread the ash further than it otherwise would be, but it would be incredibly thinly spread.

The pyroclastic flows and any additional lava flows would also cool far quicker in the wet, windy hurricane setting, and fall out and be deposited into the surrounding environment far more speedily. If you’re not quick on your feet and you’re on the slopes of this volcano, this means you might have less time to get away from collapsing, superheated pyroclastic flows, but more time to run away from the normally slow-moving lava. Swings and roundabouts.

As a bonus, you’d get plenty of volcanic lightning in the eye of the storm, making for quite the dramatic image. Volcanic lightning is thought to form when the churning lava and ash builds up powerful electrostatic charges, and thus an electrical imbalance, within the air column. Ice crystals higher up in the eruption column are also thought to play a role.


Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 4:39 am to
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A Tsunami is gonna travel across all that ocean to the west coast?

Take a lap.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 4:46 am to
I wonder how many boats were on top of that eruption.

Posted by BillyGibbons
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:48 am to
Has anyone heard from this guy?

Posted by canyon
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 7:14 am to
Hopefully not.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/17/22 at 1:31 pm to
Update: TL;DR, 95% of the island is no longer there. Highly recommend Geology Hub if you like this kind of stuff LINK
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54093 posts
Posted on 1/17/22 at 2:46 pm to
Yeah, the first solid satellite images are starting to come out now. It doesn't look good.
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