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Truck nut death spiral: Solar cell produces hydrocarbons from atmospheric CO2

Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:30 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:30 am
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Researchers at the University of Illinois at Chicago have engineered a potentially game-changing solar cell that cheaply and efficiently converts atmospheric carbon dioxide directly into usable hydrocarbon fuel, using only sunlight for energy.

The finding is reported in the July 29 issue of Science and was funded by the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Energy. A provisional patent application has been filed.

Unlike conventional solar cells, which convert sunlight into electricity that must be stored in heavy batteries, the new device essentially does the work of plants, converting atmospheric carbon dioxide into fuel, solving two crucial problems at once. A solar farm of such "artificial leaves" could remove significant amounts of carbon from the atmosphere and produce energy-dense fuel efficiently.

"The new solar cell is not photovoltaic—it's photosynthetic," says Amin Salehi-Khojin, assistant professor of mechanical and industrial engineering at UIC and senior author on the study.

"Instead of producing energy in an unsustainable one-way route from fossil fuels to greenhouse gas, we can now reverse the process and recycle atmospheric carbon into fuel using sunlight," he said.



Posted by CroakaBait
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:35 am to
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Truck nut death spiral

If I ever start a band, that's what I'm naming it.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:40 am to
I literally clicked on this thread only to get band name dibs. . .so frick you
Posted by CroakaBait
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 2:42 am to
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 5:38 am to
They'll use the syngas they make to run the compressor needed to compress the gas and fuel the reactors which will make the fuel. Which will then deposit the carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. So, you'll spend millions of dollars to take CO2 out of the air only to put it back again. Sounds like a typical government plan that will only make a profit if taxpayers subsidized.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 5:50 am to
So now we're gonna use up all the co2 in the atmosphere and end up killing all the rainforests
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28291 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 7:07 am to
Prepare to be disappointed with the ability to apply this new "game changer".
Posted by Placebeaux
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Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 7:22 am to
The game changer in green energy is already out there
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 11:04 am
Posted by Pectus
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 7:28 am to
The positive of using this over oil is we won't be introducing any new quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere, we will be cycling (very short cycle) the current free CO2.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 8:53 am to
So what are the plants going to eat?
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
8457 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 8:54 am to
It's too bad the oil industry is too powerful a lobby
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:03 am to
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So now we're gonna use up all the co2 in the atmosphere and end up killing all the rainforests


That's exactly what I thought when I read this...
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:08 am to
Good luck with that.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:17 am to
Yawn. Wake me up when we have warp drive
Posted by TheArrogantCorndog
Highland Rd
Member since Sep 2009
16031 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:20 am to
quote:

quote:
Truck nut death spiral

If I ever start a band, that's what I'm naming it


Christian contemporary?
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3337 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:40 am to
File this with solar panels that can be printed on a thin film in mass quantities. I love all of this stuff, but the lab to feasible reality transition is what kills this stuff.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44804 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 9:45 am to
My initial thought as well. I wonder if anyone knows how much CO2 we are supposed to have in the atmosphere anyway?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37672 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:01 am to
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I wonder if anyone knows how much CO2 we are supposed to have in the atmosphere anyway?


There are good data on this going back for thousands of years.




Anyway, RE: today's news?

1) the process alone is carbon neutral - not CO2 consuming if you are turning around and using the generated fuel.

2) assuming anything like the relative efficiency of fossil fuels even excess uptake of CO2 would take an enormously long time before it affected all the "sinks" of CO2 in our planet.

For example, the ocean has been serving as a buffer by taking up CO2 in recent decades - a process that is not without its negatives when you realize H2O + CO2 yields proton ions (increased acidity) - and this in turn has altered the ability of some organisms to exist/reproduce that serve as the ground floor of our ocean's food chain.

At this point we simply could do with a lot less free CO2 than we have available.
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
3164 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:23 am to
Build a straw man . . .

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They'll use the syngas they make to run the compressor needed to compress the gas and fuel the reactors which will make the fuel. Which will then deposit the carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. So, you'll spend millions of dollars to take CO2 out of the air only to put it back again.


. . . and then knock the stuffing out of him!

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Sounds like a typical government plan that will only make a profit if taxpayers subsidized.


Wow, you are really smart.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
72751 posts
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:31 am to
That chart does not do a good job of illustrating a problem.
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