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re: Trial set to begin in murder of Austin Metcalf by Karmelo Anthony; Verdict is GUILTY

Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28570 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:21 pm to
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There is no self claim to be made. If there was his defense would have called more than 5 witnesses. Touch me and find out while armed falls squarely under Texas statute for provocation. Provocation eliminates all claims to self defense.


I'm not arguing the merits. I'm just telling you what the jury will decide. The purported snippets from Anthony's lawyer's closing were pretty much all focused on self-defense.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104587 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:23 pm to
Closing statement was not backed up by evidence presented at trial.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147341 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:24 pm to
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Is there a time limit on how long they can deliberate today before they're told to continue tomorrow?

From what Law & Crime said... this judge has already said to prepare to continue deliberations to 10 or 11 PM
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10817 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:28 pm to
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5" knife.


Blade was 3.5”

Doesn’t change anything about it being murder and not self defense.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28570 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:29 pm to
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Closing statement was not backed up by evidence presented at trial.


I am not arguing the merits with you. I'm just telling you what the jury is going to decide.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28570 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

Blade was 3.5”

Doesn’t change anything about it being murder and not self defense.


Completely agree.
Posted by moontigr
Dark Side of the Moon
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:31 pm to
Kinda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility. Surely he’s gonna get murder, right?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
21531 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:32 pm to
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The purported snippets from Anthony's lawyer's closing were pretty much all focused on self-defense.


And it’s going to take the jury about the amount of time it takes to read the Provocation statute to toss any claims of self defense in the trash.. say it with me “touch me and find out” “touch me and find out” He is 10000 percent fricked thanks to his own words.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37863 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:58 pm to
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Kinda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility.

Its an included lesser offense. Pretty standard in murder trials.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10817 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:02 pm to
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Can they return a 2nd degree murder charge or was this tried as 1st? Or does that even matter in Texas for a Murder 2


It was tried as murder as a first degree felony not Capital Murder.

Capital murder in Texas is the murder with death penalty possible or life with or without parole based on the age of the defendant at the time of the offense.

Murder verdict would be for murder as a first degree felony, and then it can be argued during the punishment phase that it was sudden passion from adequate cause to move it to murder as a second degree felony.

They have added manslaughter as a possible verdict which recklessly causing someone’s death wasn’t touched on in evidence submitted by either side. Anthony’s intention to use deadly force wasn’t in question. I have not read about the closings to know if manslaughter was even mentioned by either side, but that may give some jurors a way out of voting guilty for murder. It may be required or is standard to offer fallbacks, but I think including manslaughter is a mistake.

It’s obviously murder with self-defense the only decision to be made.

quote:

Sec. 19.02. MURDER.

(a) In this section:
(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.

(b) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;

(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, the person commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(4) knowingly manufactures or delivers a controlled substance included in Penalty Group 1-B under Section 481.1022, Health and Safety Code, in violation of Section 481.1123, Health and Safety Code, and an individual dies as a result of injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or introducing into the individual's body any amount of the controlled substance manufactured or delivered by the actor, regardless of whether the controlled substance was used by itself or with another substance, including a drug, adulterant, or dilutant.

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
(d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree.

(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(4) that the actor's conduct in manufacturing or delivering the controlled substance was authorized under Chapter 481, Health and Safety Code, or other state or federal law.


This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23225 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:07 pm to
While we wait for deliberations, here's an opinion piece from an SMU law professor saying the "legitimacy of the jury is in doubt"

LINK

quote:

But lawyers’ words are not evidence. And to the jurors tasked with assessing evidence, race may be a relevant consideration— one that shapes how people understand their experiences and interpret the motivations of others. In this particular trial, defense counsel has argued that in a “split second of fear and chaos,” Anthony acted to defend himself. The jury’s assessment of Anthony’s potential self-defense claim will turn not only on his subjective perception, but on the objective reasonableness of his actions.

Of course, the “reasonable person” is a legal fiction — a figure reimagined in each trial by the laypeople of the jury. Because this figure reflects the idiosyncrasies and biases (including those pertaining to race) of the jury, it matters who is empaneled. The reasonable person is not the same or even similar for every juror. In the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
123607 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:09 pm to
In other words, if YT is yelling at you, stab them in the chest.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147341 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to
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In the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.

Surprised it took this long for a line like this to appear ever since jury selection ended last week
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23225 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to
I think her take is even more nuanced. If a black person is charged with a violent crime, we need black people on the jury who understand that "da culture" is to react violently. You know, to see the actions through their own lens.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
24581 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:11 pm to
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the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.

Okay but it’s an objective standard

Black people can’t be objective is what he’s saying, it’s what some of the potentials admitted in the case
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3959 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:12 pm to
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inda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility. Surely he’s gonna get murder, right?
not odd at all. that's almost always the case. I've served on multiple juries. they told us before it started that when we were given final instructions that it would include lesser charges.
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
11013 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm to
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race may be a relevant consideration— one that shapes how people understand their experiences and interpret the motivations of others.
Right. He was so terrified of the whites, that he went into another teams tent provoking them. But then he got scared because whites are constantly jumping black kids and lynching them so he had no choice but to stab them in self defense.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
42831 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm to
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I have not read about the closings, but that may give some jurors a way out of voting guilty for murder. It may be required or is standard to offer fallbacks, but I think including manslaughter is a mistake.



Agreed. Didn't realize until reading this thread that manslaughter was even on the table. That is so lame. Got a bad feeling that is what is going to come back.
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2588 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:14 pm to
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an SMU law professor




My sincere wish is that white women like this get to enjoy the fruits of their insane ideology in this lifetime.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
34514 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:15 pm to
IMO the only two options right now are manslaughter or acquitted. At most I think he gets 15-20 years.

Its makes me nervous the longer the jury is out. If it goes to tonight he's going to get off.
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