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re: Trial set to begin in murder of Austin Metcalf by Karmelo Anthony; Verdict is GUILTY
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:21 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:21 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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There is no self claim to be made. If there was his defense would have called more than 5 witnesses. Touch me and find out while armed falls squarely under Texas statute for provocation. Provocation eliminates all claims to self defense.
I'm not arguing the merits. I'm just telling you what the jury will decide. The purported snippets from Anthony's lawyer's closing were pretty much all focused on self-defense.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:23 pm to Tornado Alley
Closing statement was not backed up by evidence presented at trial.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:24 pm to stuckintexas
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Is there a time limit on how long they can deliberate today before they're told to continue tomorrow?
From what Law & Crime said... this judge has already said to prepare to continue deliberations to 10 or 11 PM
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:28 pm to Tornado Alley
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5" knife.
Blade was 3.5”
Doesn’t change anything about it being murder and not self defense.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:29 pm to teke184
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Closing statement was not backed up by evidence presented at trial.
I am not arguing the merits with you. I'm just telling you what the jury is going to decide.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:29 pm to dallastigers
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Blade was 3.5”
Doesn’t change anything about it being murder and not self defense.
Completely agree.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:31 pm to Tornado Alley
Kinda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility. Surely he’s gonna get murder, right?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:32 pm to Tornado Alley
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The purported snippets from Anthony's lawyer's closing were pretty much all focused on self-defense.
And it’s going to take the jury about the amount of time it takes to read the Provocation statute to toss any claims of self defense in the trash.. say it with me “touch me and find out” “touch me and find out” He is 10000 percent fricked thanks to his own words.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 12:58 pm to moontigr
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Kinda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility.
Its an included lesser offense. Pretty standard in murder trials.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:02 pm to TigerBear1971
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Can they return a 2nd degree murder charge or was this tried as 1st? Or does that even matter in Texas for a Murder 2
It was tried as murder as a first degree felony not Capital Murder.
Capital murder in Texas is the murder with death penalty possible or life with or without parole based on the age of the defendant at the time of the offense.
Murder verdict would be for murder as a first degree felony, and then it can be argued during the punishment phase that it was sudden passion from adequate cause to move it to murder as a second degree felony.
They have added manslaughter as a possible verdict which recklessly causing someone’s death wasn’t touched on in evidence submitted by either side. Anthony’s intention to use deadly force wasn’t in question. I have not read about the closings to know if manslaughter was even mentioned by either side, but that may give some jurors a way out of voting guilty for murder. It may be required or is standard to offer fallbacks, but I think including manslaughter is a mistake.
It’s obviously murder with self-defense the only decision to be made.
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Sec. 19.02. MURDER.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Adequate cause" means cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection.
(2) "Sudden passion" means passion directly caused by and arising out of provocation by the individual killed or another acting with the person killed which passion arises at the time of the offense and is not solely the result of former provocation.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;
(3) commits or attempts to commit a felony, other than manslaughter, and in the course of and in furtherance of the commission or attempt, or in immediate flight from the commission or attempt, the person commits or attempts to commit an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual; or
(4) knowingly manufactures or delivers a controlled substance included in Penalty Group 1-B under Section 481.1022, Health and Safety Code, in violation of Section 481.1123, Health and Safety Code, and an individual dies as a result of injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or introducing into the individual's body any amount of the controlled substance manufactured or delivered by the actor, regardless of whether the controlled substance was used by itself or with another substance, including a drug, adulterant, or dilutant.
(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
(d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(4) that the actor's conduct in manufacturing or delivering the controlled substance was authorized under Chapter 481, Health and Safety Code, or other state or federal law.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:07 pm to dallastigers
While we wait for deliberations, here's an opinion piece from an SMU law professor saying the "legitimacy of the jury is in doubt"
LINK
LINK
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But lawyers’ words are not evidence. And to the jurors tasked with assessing evidence, race may be a relevant consideration— one that shapes how people understand their experiences and interpret the motivations of others. In this particular trial, defense counsel has argued that in a “split second of fear and chaos,” Anthony acted to defend himself. The jury’s assessment of Anthony’s potential self-defense claim will turn not only on his subjective perception, but on the objective reasonableness of his actions.
Of course, the “reasonable person” is a legal fiction — a figure reimagined in each trial by the laypeople of the jury. Because this figure reflects the idiosyncrasies and biases (including those pertaining to race) of the jury, it matters who is empaneled. The reasonable person is not the same or even similar for every juror. In the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:09 pm to Ingeniero
In other words, if YT is yelling at you, stab them in the chest.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to Ingeniero
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In the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.
Surprised it took this long for a line like this to appear ever since jury selection ended last week
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to NIH
I think her take is even more nuanced. If a black person is charged with a violent crime, we need black people on the jury who understand that "da culture" is to react violently. You know, to see the actions through their own lens.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:11 pm to Ingeniero
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the Anthony trial, the situation is particularly stark: a jury without a single Black juror will determine what constitutes an objective standard for reasonableness — one that should apply to a Black teenager — based on their personal experiences and beliefs.
Okay but it’s an objective standard
Black people can’t be objective is what he’s saying, it’s what some of the potentials admitted in the case
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:12 pm to moontigr
quote:not odd at all. that's almost always the case. I've served on multiple juries. they told us before it started that when we were given final instructions that it would include lesser charges.
inda odd that the judge offered manslaughter as a possibility. Surely he’s gonna get murder, right?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm to Ingeniero
quote:Right. He was so terrified of the whites, that he went into another teams tent provoking them. But then he got scared because whites are constantly jumping black kids and lynching them so he had no choice but to stab them in self defense.
race may be a relevant consideration— one that shapes how people understand their experiences and interpret the motivations of others.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:13 pm to dallastigers
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I have not read about the closings, but that may give some jurors a way out of voting guilty for murder. It may be required or is standard to offer fallbacks, but I think including manslaughter is a mistake.
Agreed. Didn't realize until reading this thread that manslaughter was even on the table. That is so lame. Got a bad feeling that is what is going to come back.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:14 pm to Ingeniero
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an SMU law professor
My sincere wish is that white women like this get to enjoy the fruits of their insane ideology in this lifetime.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:15 pm to DrrTiger
IMO the only two options right now are manslaughter or acquitted. At most I think he gets 15-20 years.
Its makes me nervous the longer the jury is out. If it goes to tonight he's going to get off.
Its makes me nervous the longer the jury is out. If it goes to tonight he's going to get off.
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