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re: TORNADO!!! Pine Belt Tornado preliminary rating of EF-4 with 1 fatality

Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:50 pm to
unwanted update for tomorrow

an upgrade to "moderate" risk for severe weather from central/northeast Louisiana to central Alabama

This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:55 pm to
SPC just upgraded to Moderste For noerthrrn LA through most of Alabama.

15 percent tornado hatched area

Not able to post image now - someone help me out

He we go again
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147126 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

SPC just upgraded to Moderste For noerthrrn LA through most of Alabama.

15 percent tornado hatched area

Not able to post image now - someone help me out

He we go again

I just posted the graphic with the new moderate area (also now in OP)... but don't see anything about a hatched area
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147126 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:01 pm to
SPC Outlook Report

quote:

SPC AC 181736

Day 2 Convective Outlook
NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
1236 PM CDT Sat Apr 18 2020

Valid 191200Z - 201200Z

...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS PARTS OF
NORTHEASTERN LA AND CENTRAL/SOUTHERN MS/AL...

...SUMMARY...
Numerous severe storms appear likely Sunday from east Texas to South
Carolina. Several strong tornadoes may occur from parts of
northeastern Louisiana into central/southern Mississippi and Alabama
Sunday afternoon and evening. A swath of damaging winds and a
continued tornado threat should also extend across Georgia and parts
of South Carolina through Sunday night. Large hail is likely over
much of the area as well.


...East Texas into the Lower Mississippi Valley and Southeast...
Mainly elevated storms posing an isolated large hail threat may be
ongoing Sunday morning in a low-level warm advection regime across
parts of MS/AL. This activity should spread eastward across AL into
parts of central/southern GA through the day as a weak,
low-amplitude shortwave trough shifts northeastward across the
Southeast. There appears to be some potential for the southern flank
of this activity to become surface based by Sunday afternoon across
parts of southern/central GA and vicinity. If this occurs, then all
severe hazards appear possible.


Across the southern Plains, a shortwave trough is forecast to
develop eastward through the day, eventually reaching the lower MS
Valley by Sunday evening, and continuing eastward across the
Southeast overnight. 50-70+ kt of mid-level flow attendant to this
shortwave trough will overspread these regions. At the surface, a
low will develop eastward across TX/OK to the lower MS Valley
through the day while gradually deepening. A warm front should lift
northward across parts of east TX into the lower MS Valley and
Southeast in response. The greatest severe weather threat Sunday
will likely focus along/south of this warm front. A cold front is
also forecast to sweep east-southeastward through the period in
tandem with the developing surface low.

Storms may form early in the period across parts of east TX as
large-scale ascent associated with the shortwave trough overspreads
an increasingly unstable warm sector. Steep mid-level lapse rates
and strong effective bulk shear should support a threat of isolated
large to very large (2+ inches) and damaging winds with any
supercells that initially develop. With time, the airmass across the
lower MS Valley downstream of this morning activity is forecast to
quickly destabilize as upper 60s to lower 70s surface dewpoints
spread northward in tandem with the warm front and as diurnal
heating occurs.

There is some concern about dominant storm mode, but effective shear
of 50-60+ kt will easily support supercell structures. A 40-50+ kt
low-level jet is also forecast to develop across parts of LA/MS and
vicinity by peak afternoon heating. A corresponding increase in
low-level shear combined with the strong deep-layer shear and
moderate to locally strong instability suggests the potential for
strong tornadoes with scattered supercells and clusters in a
corridor extending from northern LA into southern/central MS/AL
Sunday afternoon and evening. Scattered large hail and damaging
winds, some of which could be significant, may also occur. Given the
increased confidence in strong tornadoes occurring, a Moderate Risk
has been introduced across this area.


The shortwave trough and strong low-level jet will shift eastward
through the evening and overnight hours across AL into GA and parts
of SC. Eventually, upscale growth into one or more clusters should
occur. Both scattered damaging winds and a few tornadoes should be
the main threats. A couple of strong tornadoes with embedded
supercells within the cluster/line also appear possible across this
region given the very strong low-level shear that will be present.

..Gleason.. 04/18/2020

CLICK TO GET WUUS02 PTSDY2 PRODUCT

NOTE: THE NEXT DAY 2 OUTLOOK IS SCHEDULED BY 0600Z
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Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21527 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Several strong tornadoes may occur from parts of
northeastern Louisiana into central/southern Mississippi and Alabama
Sunday afternoon and evening


Storm mode appears to be more uncertain than last Sunday but that is pretty concerning language from SPC.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:18 pm to
When will they get the "Enhanced", "Slight", "moderate" terms correct?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33494 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:24 pm to
Never

Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75157 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

When will they get the "Enhanced", "Slight", "moderate" terms correct?


Seeing them try to explain the reasoning is always fun. From a strictly modeling/forecasting perspective, I guess it makes sense. But, since it has become more and more available for public consumption, it really does need to be made clearer.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51714 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

When will they get the "Enhanced", "Slight", "moderate" terms correct?

I guess it goes back to when there were just slight, moderate and high categories. Moderate truly was in the middle.

I think slight should just be called "standard" because it is pretty much the baseline risk (even though marginal is below it).
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78352 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:36 pm to
TOR:CON?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51714 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

SPC just upgraded to Moderste For noerthrrn LA through most of Alabama.

I would say a significant chunk of of Alabama is in the moderate risk, but not "most" of Alabama.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51714 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

TOR:CON?

I don't look at TOR:CON, as it is not something used or put out by the National Weather Service. In my opinion it is just the Weather Channel's commercialized, less specific version of the tornado probabilities that the Storm Prediction Center puts out.

SPC's tornado probabilities gives you the percentage chance of a tornado within 25 miles of a given point. TWC's TOR:CON is the whatever number out of 10 chance of seeing a tornado within 50 miles of a given point.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43449 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:18 pm to
Hatch and bullseye pretty much over the same area that got their homes plowed.

Mother Nature can be cruel sometimes.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102329 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

I don't look at TOR:CON, as it is not something used or put out by the National Weather Service. In my opinion it is just the Weather Channel's commercialized, less specific version of the tornado probabilities that the Storm Prediction Center puts out.


Brought to you by the same network that started naming winter storms like hurricanes. Tor:con is just a weather channel hype outlet.
Posted by Cosmo
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 2:28 pm to
I always laugh at this picture for some reason

Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

I guess it goes back to when there were just slight, moderate and high categories. Moderate truly was in the middle.

I think slight should just be called "standard" because it is pretty much the baseline risk (even though marginal is below it).



It should be Limited, Low, Moderate, High, Extreme.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Dale Doubak
Somewhere
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:13 pm to
Oh shite it’s raining sorry weatherman I owe the the hugest apology. Really sorry.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33494 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147126 posts
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:02 pm to
Houston, Lake Charles, & Lafayette area baws...

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