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Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:46 am to WKUHilltopper
Posted on 5/11/26 at 3:46 am to WKUHilltopper
Email details the Alaska Avenger.
I think he’s back in jail now in Alaska.
I think he’s back in jail now in Alaska.
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 5:06 am to WKUHilltopper
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They are short on staff, so a lot of men help out in the nursery. And the policy is that a man is ok to go help children use the bathroom Bull$shite.
I’m not sure anyone on this board is more anti-pedo than me but as a dad I don’t understand the issue here as long as they aren’t in the bathroom with the child unattended or behind a closed door and they aren’t putting guys with records or complaints in those roles?
Like little kids need help wiping their asses it’s just a reality.
The women do that all the time, you say they don’t have enough people to run the nursery without some of the dads helping are you saying they’re putting pedos in the bathrooms with kids or you just aren’t cool with a guy helping with diapers or something?
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 5:07 am
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:09 am to tide06
They have created an environment that all a pedo has to do is go to the church, be nice to everyone for a while, then he’ll get asked to volunteer, and once he’s been in the nursery system for a while, then he’s can start helping kids use the bathroom, and then the grooming and touching begins, and continues until someone says something, or the kid 20 years later comes out about it. And the fact that you and most normal Americans do see the problem is what they are banking on.
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I’m not sure anyone on this board is more anti-pedo than me but as a dad I don’t understand the issue here as long as they aren’t in the bathroom with the child unattended or behind a closed door and they aren’t putting guys with records or complaints in those roles? Like little kids need help wiping their asses it’s just a reality. The women do that all the time, you say they don’t have enough people to run the nursery without some of the dads helping are you saying they’re putting pedos in the bathrooms with kids or you just aren’t cool with a guy helping with diapers or something?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:23 am to tide06
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I’m not sure anyone on this board is more anti-pedo than me but as a dad I don’t understand the issue here as long as they aren’t in the bathroom with the child unattended or behind a closed door and they aren’t putting guys with records or complaints in those roles?
Same. Pedos deserve the wood chipper, ftr.
But as a deacon in our church, I can’t keep children in children’s ministry without my wife there. Ironically, I enjoy children’s ministry but my wife hates it so we don’t do it often.
I understand the rule, but it is hypocritical.
That being said, I am of the persuasion that if you commit any sexual sin in the church, there is forgiveness but you probably shouldn’t be in ministry as a vocation any more.
“Covering up” is a weird area. I say that because best man in my wedding was a children’s minister at a very large church in DFW and accused falsely of SA of a minor and lost his job and can never work in ministry again. He was found not to have been present when the assault took place and the victim did not identify him. Charges were dropped silently as opposed to the charges being front page news when they came out.
The church is accused of “covering it up” to this day.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 7:31 am
Posted on 5/11/26 at 8:03 am to WKUHilltopper
This guy covered up molestation or he molested kids?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 8:12 am to WKUHilltopper
Wait, I only thought priest and the Catholic church did that?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 8:21 am to olgoi khorkhoi
This thread is a mess. If I exhausted all routes with church, authorities, and media then I would hire a lawyer to review the copy of the billboards I would lease to make the community aware. I better have my facts straight though.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 8:35 am to WKUHilltopper
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They have created an environment that all a pedo has to do is go to the church, be nice to everyone for a while, then he’ll get asked to volunteer, and once he’s been in the nursery system for a while, then he’s can start helping kids use the bathroom, and then the grooming and touching begins, and continues until someone says something, or the kid 20 years later comes out about it.
That’s any school, daycare or youth group in the country.
Are they actually knowingly putting pedos into those positions or is it more they’re being too lax and have a threat in a position of access?
Are they failing to have oversight (cameras, overlap with other helpers, etc)?
Any organization that interacts with children by definition runs risks of having an abuser take liberties, the review of people who are in those roles, active and energetic oversight and having multifaceted protections in place is the best you can do to prevent or identify those problems.
My point is that if you want your concerns to be heard and be more likely to be addressed it’s important to be fact based and specifically outline to them what the best practices are, where the current gaps exist and not overly emotional because they’ll use that emotion as an excuse to not focus on the issues you bring them.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 8:40 am to 3nOut
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But as a deacon in our church, I can’t keep children in children’s ministry without my wife there. Ironically, I enjoy children’s ministry but my wife hates it so we don’t do it often.
Shoot we have female teachers screwing 13 year olds, I don’t believe any non parent should be in solo proximity to children without cameras being present to avoid “misunderstandings”.
I guess my point is not every dad who’s willing to help watch kids is a pedo, but all adults should be given rules which would make it difficult for a pedo to operate.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/11/26 at 9:01 am to WKUHilltopper
Stopping Child Molestation is a problem that we, as a society, never realized over the life of our country, the USA, was such a common problem. It happens in secret and often inside families, so, many cases are never revealed. It happens in families, churches and youth organizations - three entities that we need to function in a Godly manner in order to build Good Citizens.
I have a military background, and our organization places emphasis on Training for everything. As such, some kind of Child Molestation Prevention Training might be a good idea, especially if the Training can be completed on the internet.
The Army conducts large amounts of its classes and other training using internet training courses. IMHO, churches, schools and youth organizations might benefit from internet training on how to stop Child Molestation.
Training every Adult and Child is the answer and the Defense against child molesters.
I have a military background, and our organization places emphasis on Training for everything. As such, some kind of Child Molestation Prevention Training might be a good idea, especially if the Training can be completed on the internet.
The Army conducts large amounts of its classes and other training using internet training courses. IMHO, churches, schools and youth organizations might benefit from internet training on how to stop Child Molestation.
Training every Adult and Child is the answer and the Defense against child molesters.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 9:54 am to tide06
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I’m not sure anyone on this board is more anti-pedo than me but as a dad I don’t understand the issue here as long as they aren’t in the bathroom with the child unattended or behind a closed door and they aren’t putting guys with records or complaints in those roles?
Like little kids need help wiping their asses it’s just a reality.
The women do that all the time, you say they don’t have enough people to run the nursery without some of the dads helping are you saying they’re putting pedos in the bathrooms with kids or you just aren’t cool with a guy helping with diapers or something?
Just my opinion but I feel like the OP has some sort of personal vendetta against this church and is trying to use Tiger Droppings to "cancel" them, which is weird since they're in Kentucky or whatever.
He keeps mentioning things like you responded to and the "state senator and lawyer" even though none of that is related.
I also feel like he's somewhat exaggerating the Colorado incident, once I read what actually happened.
I could be wrong though.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:04 am to SidewalkTiger
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Just my opinion but I feel like the OP has some sort of personal vendetta against this church and is trying to use Tiger Droppings to "cancel" them, which is weird since they're in Kentucky or whatever.
It feels like something from Nextdoor which I why I don’t go on that platform anymore.
That said if there’s real evidence someone is hurting kids I’ll happily help whoever has evidence of it to make sure whoever is responsible is held accountable for it.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:18 am to WKUHilltopper
Let local children's protective services know. That would be the first step.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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This guy covered up molestation or he molested kids?
From the article in OP, he told the perp to turn himself in, which the perp did. But he didn’t actually call the police himself, which he and staff should have done. From what I gather, he’s not molesting kids, but should have been more forceful in getting rid of a perp. I don’t know if that’s right though, OP is alll over the place, not bashing, but things aren’t very clear.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:52 am to Mushroom1968
I pulled the back story. The guy who did the assaults was pretty young (like early 20s) and reading between the lines clearly has some intellectual disabilities. The DA said he is well liked but can't control himself and doesn't really understand what he's doing. His family laid out a plan to keep him from doing this stuff, get therapy, etc. and this led to him getting a pretty soft sentence back in 2007 - 35 days in jail and long probation.
Apparently a couple of the kids' families wrote letters saying more or less they were conflicted, he didn't need to go to jail, but kids did need protection from him. Not sure what to make of all that.
Anyway, so this pastor knew about it, and instead of reporting, told him to report (I guess?) and the offender ended up reporting. Bad judgment for sure, disqualifying from ministry? I don't really know. Maybe.
Apparently a couple of the kids' families wrote letters saying more or less they were conflicted, he didn't need to go to jail, but kids did need protection from him. Not sure what to make of all that.
Anyway, so this pastor knew about it, and instead of reporting, told him to report (I guess?) and the offender ended up reporting. Bad judgment for sure, disqualifying from ministry? I don't really know. Maybe.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:02 am to WKUHilltopper
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They have created an environment that all a pedo has to do is go to the church, be nice to everyone for a while, then he’ll get asked to volunteer, and once he’s been in the nursery system for a while, then he’s can start helping kids use the bathroom, and then the grooming and touching begins, and continues until someone says something, or the kid 20 years later comes out about it. And the fact that you and most normal Americans do see the problem is what they are banking on.
I'm sure this is still the case many places, but I also suspect a lot of children's ministries are getting better about it. I don't do anything without my wife, but we also do background checks on all volunteers. I don't think that's bulletproof, and personally, I think if you're known/socially connected the people who operate the ministry there are definitely gaps that could be exploited.
That said, I'm not sure what the alternative is - if someone is with their wife, has their own kids in the class, passes a background check, etc. I think about it a fair amount, for myself (as volunteer) and my kids (with other volunteer dads).
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:10 am to Pettifogger
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Anyway, so this pastor knew about it, and instead of reporting, told him to report (I guess?) and the offender ended up reporting. Bad judgment for sure, disqualifying from ministry? I don't really know. Maybe.
Well now I'm really confused because the OP says this guy took a one year deferred sentence?
Was that the pastor in question or the perpetrator?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:14 am to forkedintheroad
I think the pastor got a 1 year deferred sentence for the failure to report misdemeanor
The (news) reporting is light on some details and this is now almost 20 years old, but I think the pastors' argument were basically "no harm no foul" because the guy turned himself into the police.
My best guess is that back in the mid 00s they were probably trying to quietly handle with the offenders parents and the victims' parents, but that's just speculation based on having seen things like this (from afar) in churches during those days. Not condoning the move - I don't think anyone would be satisfied with it, but just trying to piece together what might have been told to his next church, etc. to get through the process.
The (news) reporting is light on some details and this is now almost 20 years old, but I think the pastors' argument were basically "no harm no foul" because the guy turned himself into the police.
My best guess is that back in the mid 00s they were probably trying to quietly handle with the offenders parents and the victims' parents, but that's just speculation based on having seen things like this (from afar) in churches during those days. Not condoning the move - I don't think anyone would be satisfied with it, but just trying to piece together what might have been told to his next church, etc. to get through the process.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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Anyway, so this pastor knew about it, and instead of reporting, told him to report (I guess?) and the offender ended up reporting. Bad judgment for sure, disqualifying from ministry? I don't really know. Maybe
Apparently, the three pastors claimed to not know that they were mandatory reports. There also seemed to be some confusion as to whether the counseling sessions were privileged information or not.
I don't know, it's a tough situation. It seems like the initial incident wasn't really reported as something sexual so if you're being told a mentally ill dude was "inappropriate" with a kid, but no one is really saying it's sexual, I can see why you wouldn't immediately call the police or whatever.
Either way, I could see it being a bit tone deaf to make this specific pastor, a kid's counselor. I don't know that this dude needs to be thrown under the jail though.
I really hope I'm never involved in something like this, it can be hard to know exactly what to do when you're in it and they can look way worse in hindsight.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:38 am to Pettifogger
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I pulled the back story. The guy who did the assaults was pretty young (like early 20s) and reading between the lines clearly has some intellectual disabilities. The DA said he is well liked but can't control himself and doesn't really understand what he's doing. His family laid out a plan to keep him from doing this stuff, get therapy, etc. and this led to him getting a pretty soft sentence back in 2007 - 35 days in jail and long probation.
Apparently a couple of the kids' families wrote letters saying more or less they were conflicted, he didn't need to go to jail, but kids did need protection from him. Not sure what to make of all that.
Anyway, so this pastor knew about it, and instead of reporting, told him to report (I guess?) and the offender ended up reporting. Bad judgment for sure, disqualifying from ministry? I don't really know. Maybe.
In addition to what you wrote, the 3 pastors were convicted of a misdemeanor "failure to report" that has since been expunged from their records.
OP feels like the pastor who is now in Kentucky should be removed from their current position because of a misdemeanor conviction from 20 years ago.
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