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re: Today's nightmare scenario: Cemetery worker buried alive in New York grave mishap
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:58 pm to CatfishJohn
Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:58 pm to CatfishJohn
Ever heard of Grave Bells? 100+ year ago people were getting buried alive so often that they started putting bells beside their graves with a string tied to the bell and running to the person's hand. They hired a person to stay by the grave. If the bell rang, they had to get help and start digging. Of course, that involved being buried in a coffin.
It is also why we have wakes, or the tradition of "Sitting up with the dead". They had to make sure the person was actually dead.
It is also why we have wakes, or the tradition of "Sitting up with the dead". They had to make sure the person was actually dead.
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Posted on 2/26/21 at 12:59 pm to The Boat
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How long does it take to dig a 6 foot person out of a 7 foot grave?
watched enough safety videos to know once the ditch or hole caves in, there is not much u can do.
Ditch Cave in Article
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Now let's consider a worker subjected to a cave-in. Assume that one yard of dirt weighing perhaps 2,500 pounds, falls off a trench lip six feet overhead. It takes about 0.6 seconds for the dirt to fall six feet and we would expect it to reach a speed of about 20 feet per second or 14 miles per hour when it strikes the worker.
Next time you drive, notice how fast 14 mph is. Imagine the trauma you would suffer if you were struck by a ton of weight traveling at that speed. The result of the impact would probably be broken bones, stretched or broken ligaments, internal bleeding, and lacerated or punctured organs. Immediately following the impact, the soil surrounds and traps you. This combination of blunt force trauma and crushing weight is rarely survivable. Death may not be immediate but the processes that lead to death will have begun.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:00 pm to LegendInMyMind
There's no way they were doing this routinely right? I'm assuming they used an excavator and he just got in there afterward? I'm curious if you could say put a harness around yourself and then tie yourself to the excavator and have it just lift you out if this happened again? That certainly wouldn't be Osha certified method though.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:04 pm to tigeraddict
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Assume that one yard of dirt weighing perhaps 2,500 pounds, falls off a trench lip six feet overhead. It takes about 0.6 seconds for the dirt to fall six feet and we would expect it to reach a speed of about 20 feet per second or 14 miles per hour when it strikes the worker.
Yeah but while it happens fast it likely isn't absolutely immediately, like a dump truck. If it was a 7 foot grave and the guy is say 5'6" only then his hands should be just about sticking out of the ground.
It would take some extra bad luck to have it not only cave on you, but cave to the point you couldn't stick your arms up and have your companion help you out.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:08 pm to baldona
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I'm curious if you could say put a harness around yourself and then tie yourself to the excavator and have it just lift you out if this happened again?
If you were still alive, you'd probably be wishing to be dead
I can't imagine the force of straps on an already horrifically damaged body... probably cut you into pieces or something
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:13 pm to Slagathor
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If you were still alive, you'd probably be wishing to be dead
I can't imagine the force of straps on an already horrifically damaged body... probably cut you into pieces or something
Its only a 7 ft hole. I think you guys are overthinking this. Unless he was laying down or otherwise caught completely off guard, There's a good chance his head was only a couple feet from the ground level and wouldn't have been caught up in much dirt. I'm guessing since he died, he was caught completely off guard.
I'm just saying, dirt that only falls 2 ft is not hurting you. A complete and immediate collapse certainly is bad. But if he was strapped up the excavator could lift him up pretty easily.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:13 pm to Slagathor
A year ago last month, our company had a kid in a collapsed bore pit that was entombed...took a few hours to dig him out after he was already dead. The guy that went in after him and suffered a secondary collapse had both his legs broken by the pressure and the awkward angle his legs were caught in. Horrific way to go
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:18 pm to LegendInMyMind
I know guy this happened to. Well, it was a ditch they were digging. His dad was there too. Horrible
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:23 pm to baldona
You obviously have never worked in the construction industry. Dirt is heavy as frick, if you are in a 7' deep hole that collapses you will have numerous broken bones and organ damage. Your face may look fine but you will die.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:23 pm to Spankum
Not that I want to pontificate on it any more than already has been, but it's hard to imagine much worse ways to die.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:24 pm to LegendInMyMind
I remember a story a few years ago, a crew was digging something with a backhoe (not a grave). It was pretty deep and collapsed on a worker. They used the backhoe as a last measure. They did pull him out, all but him head. They decapitated him.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:25 pm to Old Character
Guy we know buried up to his waist doing road work.
They got him out but not before the dirt crushed his legs and hips and ankles..
fricking quick.
Why a place like that doesn't have a premaid cribbing to lower in that hole with a backhoe is absurd.
The graves are pretty much all the same size. They could have it at the site and lowered in to do the finishing work..
They got him out but not before the dirt crushed his legs and hips and ankles..
fricking quick.
Why a place like that doesn't have a premaid cribbing to lower in that hole with a backhoe is absurd.
The graves are pretty much all the same size. They could have it at the site and lowered in to do the finishing work..
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:50 pm to LegendInMyMind
Sounds like an OSHA violation. Dude's family is about to get paid.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:52 pm to thejudge
A 7 foot deep grave is the definition of a trench. No protection system in place? OSHA gonna go in dry!
Posted on 2/26/21 at 1:53 pm to LegendInMyMind
I'd say that's a grave situation
Posted on 2/26/21 at 2:07 pm to baldona
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Its only a 7 ft hole. I think you guys are overthinking this. Unless he was laying down or otherwise caught completely off guard,
The article said he was leveling the bottom. So, there is a good chance he was bent over or on his knees in a crawling position trying to pack the ground. Even when you use one of those tampers, if you are trying to get a flat area you often still have to do some work on it with your hands.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 2:16 pm to Trauma14
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Dude's family is about to get paid.
Even a shitty attorney could get at least a free burial out of this.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 2:17 pm to tigeraddict
My boss survived a trench collapsing on him several years ago. He was extremely lucky as there was a skilled backhoe operator there that saw it and helped dig him out along with guys digging with their hands. He was unconcious for several minutes and was in the hospital for a couple of days, but came out relatively unscathed. Extremely lucky.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 2:37 pm to UKWildcats
There are a few men entombed in the pilings of the new bridge in BR. Fell in during concrete pour.
Posted on 2/26/21 at 4:16 pm to baldona
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Its only a 7 ft hole. I think you guys are overthinking this. Unless he was laying down or otherwise caught completely off guard, There's a good chance his head was only a couple feet from the ground level
It would have hit him from one side and knocked him down. It also would have crushed his rib cage and knocked him unconscious. The top of his head probably would have been four feet below ground level.
He might have had the only shovel. Those holes are dug by machines, and you can't dig him out with a backhoe for fear of killing him with that.
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