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re: This time private equity has ruined (checks notes) fire engines

Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:38 am to
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
9722 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:38 am to
Thanks, Slinger. I see you are correct. Looks like REV Group acquired E-One in 2008.
Posted by Slinger16
Not Louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
21900 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:40 am to
Something else to consider is that firetrucks are almost always purchased with taxpayer money. There aren't many factors that will drive down prices when city governments are paying with other people's money.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20675 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:42 am to
This isn't going to be a popular opinion on a right leaning website, but PE needs to be reigned in somehow.

They have negatively impacted nearly every business they've touched based on nearly every objective data point available.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72313 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:43 am to
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Something else to consider is that firetrucks are almost always purchased with taxpayer money. There aren't many factors that will drive down prices when city governments are paying with other people's money.


Yep. And that’s a problem. That Cat 775 I posted competes with Komatsu. But in the firetruck market, there appears to be a monopoly. How the feds are letting this go is beyond me. It would be like Ford buying out all other car manufacturers in the US.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67800 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:44 am to
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This isn’t a natural endpoint of allowing people to own private property up to and including the means of production; this is a natural endpoint of the State giving a staggering level of preference and protection to the State sanctioned legal entity known as the corporation.


Bingo
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19213 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:49 am to
REV acquired Lance Camper years ago, drove it into the ground, and is now selling it. Lance was once considered a high-end product, but now is just a middle-of-the-pack trailer.
Posted by migui8618
Member since Nov 2023
629 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 9:50 am to
We need a Private Equity Buster. Doubt that guy is JD Vance, being so closely related to Peter Thiel, is elbow deep in PE.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30725 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:46 am to
Senator Hawley accused them and other company if collusion and fraud.

He had all the goods, but will do do anything. They are pushing product back to make more money
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9618 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:50 am to
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Citizens United continues to be one of the worst USSC decisions in our country's history. We're only fifteen years out from it, and it's effects are becoming more pronounced everyday.


What in the flying frick does a free speech case have to do with fire engine monopolies?
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49003 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:59 am to
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As a result, prices have increased 50% since 2019 and delivery times have doubled


Sounds like ordering any vehicle.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:06 am to
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As a result, prices have increased 50% since 2019
And what has cumulative inflation been since then? Seems dumb to blame this on one player's actions.
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4354 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 1:21 pm to
Who wants to open a fire engine manufacturing company?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58529 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:15 pm to
I feel like we could make a 250k fire truck
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62516 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:19 pm to
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We need a Private Equity Buster.


What do you propose?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62516 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:22 pm to
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PE needs to be reigned in somehow.


What do you propose?

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They have negatively impacted nearly every business they've touched based on nearly every objective data point available.


Have they, or are you just using a few data points based on the most heavily covered situations by media?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37386 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Have they


I would say yes. Definitely in particular industries where widgets aren’t the revenue drivers
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136287 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:06 pm to
Break them up Trump
Posted by guzziguy
Lake Forest
Member since Jun 2022
781 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:11 pm to
I honestly hate how state, county and city governments waste money on replacing fire engines every couple of years. There are plenty of older units out there that are still serviceable. It's a fricking water pump on a heavy duty truck chassis FFS!
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52437 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:14 pm to
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One PE firm has achieved a near monopoly over fire engine manufacturing. As a result, prices have increased 50% since 2019 and delivery times have doubled, from two to four years

I got nothing on delivery time, but the price increase is in line with Joeflation.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104415 posts
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:41 am to
The latest

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The Norfolk Volunteer Fire Department operates on an annual budget of $132,000, barely enough to sustain its aging rigs, train unpaid crews and keep the lights on at the station in the hills of northern Connecticut.

Not long ago, it faced a different kind of emergency: The software system it relied on to track detailed incident information was no longer going to be usable. A company backed by private equity investors, ESO Solutions, had acquired the platform and planned to shut it down. The alternative software it was offering would raise the community’s costs from $795 per year to more than $5,000.

Urgently looking for an alternative, the department found a cheaper system, but then ESO bought up the other brand. It left the department in a bind. “We don’t have a big tax base,” said Matthew Ludwig, an assistant fire chief in Norfolk. “We have to watch our pennies.”

Much of the software used by firefighters and other emergency responders was initially created by people who worked in those fields and felt a calling to keep prices affordable. But now fire chiefs around the country are scrambling to manage shrinking options and soaring costs as corporations flush with cash from Wall Street have raced to dominate the market.

Volunteer fire departments, which make up 85 percent of the roughly 30,000 departments in the country, have been particularly strained.

ESO, backed by the private equity firm Vista Equity Partners, is one of many companies aggressively investing in public safety systems, where tax dollars provide a steady source of revenue. Some of the companies have come to dominate the supply of fire engines, emergency radios and fire retardant, among other vital products — with fire and police agencies objecting to the sharply rising costs.




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