re: There was no school resource officer at the school; gunman entered through unlocked door.

I said this in another thread. If the government is going to remove your right to bear arms and defend yourself in certain locations (gun free zones) then they are 100% responsible for protecting you in these places.

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so it took almost an hour for a border patrol agent to show up and kill the sick frick. Did the cops outside not realize that ramos was shooting children? were they treating it like a hostage situation? IDK how anybody armed could stand around outside while that was going on.

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At this point(and their stories continue to drastically change by the hour), it would appear after having a shooting party outside and moving inside to start the killing, officers did confront him initially, exchanged fired, failed at killing him, got hit themselves, extracted some teachers/kids(but not all), retreated.

Then we have basically a 40 - 60 minute gap where no reported second attempt to neutralize the killer occurred and it was outside agents/forces that made the next major push an hour later.

Cops still arent able to give a good explanation for why this gap exists, and the lack of clarity or any explanation infers to me they don't have a good answer and are struggling to find one they can defend.

Surely there is video of him entering the main foyer (maybe even all hallways). Would be able to easily determine when the first LEO entered as well.

While the narrative turns to the "who to blame" let's not forget that some crazy fricken who was odd went "unnoticed" by friends and family and somehow reasons it was a good idea to kill children. There's the issue. why is he nuts and why didn't someone say something.

We can sit here and point fingers at every little detail, but the fact is.. In smaller towns, there is a different sense of security. There are a lot of "what ifs" but that doesn't change anything.

The reality is, we live in a world where what use to be unimaginable is now possible. While I am pro gun, if he wasn't able to buy an AR15 until he was 21 this wouldn't have happened. How can someone not be allowed to purchase a hand gun until they are 21, but can purchase an AR15 at 18.

That's on par with our government. shite that doesn't make since. At 18 you should be able to buy a gun to protect themselves, but instead you have to wait until you are 21, but if you want a high powered rifle that has so much power you can't even hunt with it and its too big to keep on you for protection then you can buy it at 18.. I say make it legal at the age of 17 to buy a gun for protection then 21 for an AR15.

But nothing will change and because of that we just have to accept when these things happen. You think they will just all of a sudden stop? It might happen again next year or it might be 5 years from now, but there will be another fricking idiot 18, 19 year old who will easily go buy an AR15 to shoot up another school, hospital, grocery store, church or maybe even a ball park next.. and it will be the same ole thing.. People are heart broken, say things need to be changed.. A week later move on to something else.

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The school actually spent half a million dollars installing security measures and to have a full time armed SRO at the school....money well spent apparently

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Everyone bitching about guns. And yet they had stuff in place to potentially stop this that wasn’t actually there or didn’t do it’s job? Lol

That's what the absolute mouthbreathers don't realise. At a minimum the cops sat back and HELD parents back from helping their kids, including putting one in handcuffs. They deserve every penny and it needs to come out of the 50% city budget that goes to the fricking police. They are beyond worthless.

Roger and Klark:


Crickets

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And your point is moot inasmuch as he could likely illegally obtain an AR just as people obtain all manner of things illegal and banned now.

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Yes I am aware you can get a gun on the street. If you want a hand gun, its probably easier to get one on the street, but its not as easy to get AR15s (AR15s are not kept in people's vehicles like hand guns so they don't get stolen as much).

Like I said, make the legal age to buy hand guns at 17. Same with hunting rifles, but a semi-automatic rifle that is too powerful to hunt with and has been used in most mass shootings and not as easy to get on the street. Make the age requirement 21. What will it hurt by doing that?

Car insurance companies think people below the age of 25 are more of a risk of getting into a wreck (price usually drops when you turn 25).. So I don't think its too much to ask to bump the age up to 21 to buy an AR15.