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re: There is a reasonable compromise on arming teachers.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:02 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you're saying in a situation where things are happening very quickly and lives are on the line, there's no chance whatsoever for ambiguity or for anyone to make a mistake. Got it
What is the cost of doing nothing?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to Corkfather
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Corkfather
Boom! out of nowhere!
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to LeMarteau
Hoover is also probably one of the wealthier school districts.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:someone should tell Israel that their practice isn't working
"arm the teachers" is nice red meat for the conservative base but in practice there are so many different ways it could make the situation worse not better.
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:04 am to LeMarteau
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What is the cost of doing nothing?
i don't want to do nothing, i just don't think gunfights in schools is automatically going to make things better and in fact is more likely to make things worse.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to prplhze2000
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Just because you are a moral coward doesn't mean everyone else is.
Damn you are a hardass
Guess you don't know many teachers.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to joeyb147
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someone should tell Israel that their practice isn't working
you sound like Bernie
"Denmark has socialized medicine and it works great!"
two totally different countries/cultures/situations. Not even close to an apples to apples comparisons. Not. Even. Close.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to Averytiger
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I am a high school teacher.
Serious question. If you had a gun in your classroom, do you think, at some point, a student would try to steal it?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to Corkfather
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You can’t compare extremely well-funded school districts with the vast majority
Not comparing, just stating what works.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
I wrote let them train the same as cops.
YOu think cops get in firefights all the time? One reason there are problems with police shootings or low accuracy rates of fire is because unlike combat vets, they rarely have to fire their weapons or get into a combat type situation. How many of them besides the street narcs or SWAT guys get into multiple firefights in their careers?
YOu think cops get in firefights all the time? One reason there are problems with police shootings or low accuracy rates of fire is because unlike combat vets, they rarely have to fire their weapons or get into a combat type situation. How many of them besides the street narcs or SWAT guys get into multiple firefights in their careers?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to prplhze2000
I happen to agree with you, and I like the strategy you propose.
The qualification shouldn't be easy.
And more than likely, there would be very few teachers that opt to take the effort to train and qualify. Then again, I would imagine that those who qualified may encourage a few others to give it a shot. Having 1 or 2 trained teachers in a school would be much better than having none.
I would also suggest that the identity of the qualified teachers be kept confidential, therefore a potential "shooter" couldn't strategize based on this information.
And also the shooter would have no idea what/who he was actually up against.
The whole philosophy of disarming everyone in facility only makes it easier for a potential nutcase to execute his plan, and perhaps more tempting.
The qualification shouldn't be easy.
And more than likely, there would be very few teachers that opt to take the effort to train and qualify. Then again, I would imagine that those who qualified may encourage a few others to give it a shot. Having 1 or 2 trained teachers in a school would be much better than having none.
I would also suggest that the identity of the qualified teachers be kept confidential, therefore a potential "shooter" couldn't strategize based on this information.
And also the shooter would have no idea what/who he was actually up against.
The whole philosophy of disarming everyone in facility only makes it easier for a potential nutcase to execute his plan, and perhaps more tempting.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to Corkfather
It’s kind of hard for Trump to argue that we should train teachers when his budget cuts money for education.
Why was it ever the federal government's responsibility for local education?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to prplhze2000
What happens when multiple teachers, each with a gun, start trying to find a shooter? How will they communicate so they know what the shooter looks like? What happens when a teacher accidentally shoots another teacher?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to prplhze2000
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One reason there are problems with police shootings or low accuracy rates of fire is because unlike combat vets, they rarely have to fire their weapons or get into a combat type situation.
and you think this will be different for teachers?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to prplhze2000
Arming females and PE coaches for a close quarters gunfight in a room with 15 plus children and a perp with a rifle is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard.
Taking a course with Barney Fife down at the local gun range doesn’t prepare you in the slightest for what happened in Florida.
Charge them a fee? Are you fricking serious right now? Do you know what teachers get paid? Do you know what the have to spend out of pocket to make their classroom functional? And you want THEM to pick up the tab on this? Oh, gofundme? Go frick yourself.
The cognitive thinking skill on some of you simple fricks is as shallow as a kiddy pool.
Stop posting.
Taking a course with Barney Fife down at the local gun range doesn’t prepare you in the slightest for what happened in Florida.
Charge them a fee? Are you fricking serious right now? Do you know what teachers get paid? Do you know what the have to spend out of pocket to make their classroom functional? And you want THEM to pick up the tab on this? Oh, gofundme? Go frick yourself.
The cognitive thinking skill on some of you simple fricks is as shallow as a kiddy pool.
Stop posting.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Marshal, Marshal, Marshal....
Air Marshalls do well on planes, why not School Marshalls?

Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:you're right
two totally different countries/cultures/situations. Not even close to an apples to apples comparisons. Not. Even. Close.
they are much more likely to be hit with a terrorist attack than people in the US
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
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arming teachers is a terrible idea on multiple levels
And your solution to find money to hire new cops who won't cower behind a wall and pay them?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
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gunfights in schools
Gun fights or gun slaughter - I'd take the fight any day.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:08 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Why was it ever the federal government's responsibility for local education?
If you’re going to pass Federal law allowing training for teachers in public schools, you can bet your arse the majority of states are going to want Federal funding to pay for it.
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