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re: There is a reasonable compromise on arming teachers.

Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:02 am to
Posted by LeMarteau
Hoover, AL (B.R. native)
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:02 am to
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So you're saying in a situation where things are happening very quickly and lives are on the line, there's no chance whatsoever for ambiguity or for anyone to make a mistake. Got it


What is the cost of doing nothing?
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to
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Corkfather


Boom! out of nowhere!
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58875 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to
Hoover is also probably one of the wealthier school districts.
Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:03 am to
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"arm the teachers" is nice red meat for the conservative base but in practice there are so many different ways it could make the situation worse not better.
someone should tell Israel that their practice isn't working

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Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:04 am to
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What is the cost of doing nothing?


i don't want to do nothing, i just don't think gunfights in schools is automatically going to make things better and in fact is more likely to make things worse.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
16221 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to
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Just because you are a moral coward doesn't mean everyone else is.



Damn you are a hardass

Guess you don't know many teachers.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to
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someone should tell Israel that their practice isn't working


you sound like Bernie

"Denmark has socialized medicine and it works great!"

two totally different countries/cultures/situations. Not even close to an apples to apples comparisons. Not. Even. Close.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122534 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to
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I am a high school teacher.


Serious question. If you had a gun in your classroom, do you think, at some point, a student would try to steal it?
Posted by LeMarteau
Hoover, AL (B.R. native)
Member since Mar 2008
2275 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to
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You can’t compare extremely well-funded school districts with the vast majority


Not comparing, just stating what works.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:05 am to
I wrote let them train the same as cops.

YOu think cops get in firefights all the time? One reason there are problems with police shootings or low accuracy rates of fire is because unlike combat vets, they rarely have to fire their weapons or get into a combat type situation. How many of them besides the street narcs or SWAT guys get into multiple firefights in their careers?
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
I happen to agree with you, and I like the strategy you propose.

The qualification shouldn't be easy.

And more than likely, there would be very few teachers that opt to take the effort to train and qualify. Then again, I would imagine that those who qualified may encourage a few others to give it a shot. Having 1 or 2 trained teachers in a school would be much better than having none.

I would also suggest that the identity of the qualified teachers be kept confidential, therefore a potential "shooter" couldn't strategize based on this information.

And also the shooter would have no idea what/who he was actually up against.

The whole philosophy of disarming everyone in facility only makes it easier for a potential nutcase to execute his plan, and perhaps more tempting.

Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41888 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to

It’s kind of hard for Trump to argue that we should train teachers when his budget cuts money for education.



Why was it ever the federal government's responsibility for local education?
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8699 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
What happens when multiple teachers, each with a gun, start trying to find a shooter? How will they communicate so they know what the shooter looks like? What happens when a teacher accidentally shoots another teacher?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
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One reason there are problems with police shootings or low accuracy rates of fire is because unlike combat vets, they rarely have to fire their weapons or get into a combat type situation.


and you think this will be different for teachers?
Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
6071 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
Arming females and PE coaches for a close quarters gunfight in a room with 15 plus children and a perp with a rifle is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard.

Taking a course with Barney Fife down at the local gun range doesn’t prepare you in the slightest for what happened in Florida.

Charge them a fee? Are you fricking serious right now? Do you know what teachers get paid? Do you know what the have to spend out of pocket to make their classroom functional? And you want THEM to pick up the tab on this? Oh, gofundme? Go frick yourself.

The cognitive thinking skill on some of you simple fricks is as shallow as a kiddy pool.

Stop posting.

Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76202 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
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Air Marshalls do well on planes, why not School Marshalls?
Marshal, Marshal, Marshal....

Posted by joeyb147
Member since Jun 2009
16019 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:06 am to
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two totally different countries/cultures/situations. Not even close to an apples to apples comparisons. Not. Even. Close.
you're right

they are much more likely to be hit with a terrorist attack than people in the US
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98791 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:07 am to
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arming teachers is a terrible idea on multiple levels


And your solution to find money to hire new cops who won't cower behind a wall and pay them?
Posted by LeMarteau
Hoover, AL (B.R. native)
Member since Mar 2008
2275 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:07 am to
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gunfights in schools

Gun fights or gun slaughter - I'd take the fight any day.
Posted by Corkfather
Dallas
Member since Sep 2007
19756 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:08 am to
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Why was it ever the federal government's responsibility for local education?


If you’re going to pass Federal law allowing training for teachers in public schools, you can bet your arse the majority of states are going to want Federal funding to pay for it.
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