re: The teacher who left the door open

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You can’t fix the root of the problem


Anyone who thinks this is utterly worthless to society.

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The problem is spiritual...

The so called solutions put forward are coming from people who often mock God or religion

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This is stupid as shite. The guy had a gun. He could just blast the door and walk through it. You can’t keep a gunman out of a school by locking the door.

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You can delay him and hearing the gunshots would give you just a little more time to react.

He's not going to just shoot through the door that quick.

I know at my son's school, the classroom doors are all locked and you can't get in without an ID scan. If a kid goes to the bathroom, the teacher is not permitted to leave the door propped open, even if it's an inconvenience. The glass window in the door is bulletproof.

I'm glad he's dead since he would've lived off tax payer dollars.

But if my daughter was killed by this evil piece of excrement I would want to slowly and painfully kill him with every fiber of my being.

Tell me none of you would feel the same.

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This is unreasonable. This is a horrible situation, but be fair. The overwhelming majority of time that doors are propped open or minor safety rules are violated, no cataclysm occurs.

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Minor safety rules are violated. Really?

As a retired engineer, safety rules are in place to reduce risk of injury and death.

As a second career teacher, I taught my students that when you make mistakes, people die. Pay attention to detail.

I prepared my students for life. I made a difference.

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If you live in a relatively safe neighborhood and left the back door unlocked and your wife got murdered while you were at the store are

Oh come on, not a good analogy.

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It is a very good analogy, Schools are statistically a very safe place, Even with the shootings that have occurred, a kid is still safer at school than their own home, 2000 children under age 14 die in home accidents every year. There are 131,000 schools in the US 99.999% of which have never had a shooting. This is going to lead to people being complacent about safety exactly like living is a area where there has never been significant crime.

And there it is so twisted in your tribalistic nature that you of course believe that anyone on the left must endorse this. Plenty of nations are far more left than the IS yet they don’t have children getting slaughtered as much as the US

I’m sure they are being hard enough on themselves they will have to live with that but honestly I’m not at all mad about that. Everyone makes mistakes and that’s one that anybody could make. The police waiting so long is another issue and all in support of the police but they dropped the ball here. As soon as someone that outranked the school district police chief got there they should have pulled rank on him and gone in. I just don’t get why the at didn’t happen. As soon as the border guys got there they instinctively knew what to do getting in standard stack formation and they went in and killed the bastard.

Situation is so sad and aggravating all around with all the death and cluster freak actions. It’s not just cops or the doors but all of it.

It doesn’t seem like it had a ton of planning behind it. He nearly took himself out crashing the truck in ditch because he didn’t know to drive, and then shot at funeral home people giving a heads up to school and police while also leaving one of his rifles. He also attacked building closest to wrecked truck which was more viewable to cars passing by & more out in the open and what seemed to be newer buildings instead of the older ones in middle that would have offered concealment from streets and that looked they had doors & maybe windows direct to classrooms from outside. I don’t know school, but it just seems like up until he got through propped door that was building and the side of the building you would rather him try to forcefully enter with cops coming - newer, classrooms only in front of him and out in open from street, parking lot, and field. He should have been sitting duck and taken out first outside or in hallway if needed.


Still 21 dead.


The propped open door & done by teacher who may have seen killer and ran back in forgetting about door prop in place, resource cop driving up & not seeing him hide behind a car in parking lot (& I guess drove further up even as truck in ditch & shooting at funeral home were behind him making back most likely place of killer), and depending on final facts it’s possible lockdown on at school for a couple of minutes along with shots fired at side of this building before entering propped open door, and still one classroom door was not secured in time for whatever reason. I don’t know if other classes had students, but it looks like there was 5 classrooms in first section of building (with propped open door) he would have had to pass and then 2 on the right when entering in other section. He found one door not secured to his left. I would think securing the door is first step in lockdown situation. Timeline keeps changing, but lockdown called for and shots fired at side of building have all so far been before he entered building.

After initially engaging the cops did sit back and lives were lost from bleeding out and/or additional shootings, but lives were also lost already and others bleeding out because of the doors.

The killer is the piece shite who killed children and teachers, but it was a cluster f of a response by some teachers and cops which failed to stop him.