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re: The Lost Cause lied to you. Your ancestors didn't support the Confederacy nor secession.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:12 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:12 pm to magildachunks
Majority looked at them as invaders.
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Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:13 pm to Sput
I am a northern yankee through and through
The idea that the average southern white was sympathetic with the north/aboltionism is one of the most ahistorical things ever stated on this forum, and that is quite a feat.
The idea that the average southern white was sympathetic with the north/aboltionism is one of the most ahistorical things ever stated on this forum, and that is quite a feat.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:13 pm to chalmetteowl
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Yeah I don’t think most people then were informed enough to have a valid opinion
Does this count for when they, in convention, chose to leave the Confederation of State to ratify the Constitution? Or were they not informed enough?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:17 pm to magildachunks
The biggest mistake was bringing slaves(Africans) to the US. It was short sighted and we are paying for it even today.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:18 pm to prplhze2000
Yeah, I'm interested in why it would have been stupid for plantations to shift to growing food in support of a cause that was to their benefit.
His only reasoning is "the ports were blockaded and the 'dirt farmers' left to fight the war so they couldn't grow food" which seems like solid reasons plantations should have shifted to food crops. Not logical justification for why they didn't.
His only reasoning is "the ports were blockaded and the 'dirt farmers' left to fight the war so they couldn't grow food" which seems like solid reasons plantations should have shifted to food crops. Not logical justification for why they didn't.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:18 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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It’s happening as we speak
Draft ended in 73, baw
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:22 pm to northshorebamaman
Sure there is a reason. War profits made by the out smuggling of cotton.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:24 pm to magildachunks
I have ancestors that fought for every state of the confederacy besides Texas and Louisiana.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:24 pm to prplhze2000
quote:I understand the planters reasoning. It's that poster's reasoning that doesn't make sense.
Sure there is a reason. War profits made by the out smuggling of cotton.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:24 pm to fightin tigers
Of course. But southerners by and large still chose to defend their homes
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:26 pm to crazy4lsu
They can look back and confidently say the south was right about the Union.
As do many people in Yankee states.
For every person in East Tennessee or western North Carolina that was a unionist there were pro confederacy northerners as well. Something to keep in mind.
As do many people in Yankee states.
For every person in East Tennessee or western North Carolina that was a unionist there were pro confederacy northerners as well. Something to keep in mind.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:26 pm to udtiger
Not even the Mexican war. Many politicians were against it.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:27 pm to UltimaParadox
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Why don't presidents fight the war? They always send the poor
Are we suggesting that the leaders should risk themselves the same way general infantry do? That’d be stupid.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:38 pm to magildachunks
One of my great, great grandfathers was part of a troop sent to Indian territory to recruit the Cherokee Indians to help fight the Union. Many of them would go on to fight with the confederacy. The civil war was very complex.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:43 pm to prplhze2000
bullshite. Conservatve Southern planters knew the cause was hopeless as soon as the radical, fire-eater Democrats seceded from the Union. They weren’t about to sacrifice their wallets to grow food crops for a lost cause.
Agrarian societies cannot defeat industrialized societies in a war with well defined boundaries no matter how much food is grown. Dying with a full stomach is not going to change the imbalance in steel production, railroads, and population.
Agrarian societies cannot defeat industrialized societies in a war with well defined boundaries no matter how much food is grown. Dying with a full stomach is not going to change the imbalance in steel production, railroads, and population.
This post was edited on 4/12/26 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:49 pm to magildachunks
It’s been 160 years….
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:55 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Are we suggesting that the leaders should risk themselves the same way general infantry do? That’d be stupid.
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Blast off, it's party time
And we don't live in a fascist nation
Blast off, it's party time
And where the frick are you?
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:56 pm to justaniceguy
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For every person in East Tennessee or western North Carolina that was a unionist there were pro confederacy northerners as well. Something to keep in mind.
The north had a name for them: Copperheads.
And Lincoln punished, suppressed, and jailed northern congressmen that sympathized with the South’s position, even exiling one (to Canada, IIRC).
Posted on 4/12/26 at 9:57 pm to magildachunks
Crazy that your upvotes and downvotes are
1863
1863
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:05 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Are we suggesting that the leaders should risk themselves the same way general infantry do?
Leaders used to fight all the time
I think if you’re willing to send others sons and daughters to die in a war of choice, then you should at least be obliged to have some skin in the game
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