re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)

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is this just a cash game? what else was at stake?

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The pot was over $200K.

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right, but if she is being bankrolled by some wealthy sugar daddy, does she really care if she loses a bad bet?

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She should if she wants to keep playing. Even if I was rich, I'd be pretty sick watching a 4/10 donk off 200k of my money in a single hand.

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The point is that she loses to most of his bluffs. If she had a pair or even ace high, it would be a little different.

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This seems to be where we are losing people.

Some seem to think that, just because he was the bluffer and she was the caller, it automatically means that her cards must be better than his. The stupidity of what she did is so incredible that rational minds can't seem to grasp what we're trying to say.

Here's just a small sampling of hands he could've held in that situation and with that board which would be considered "bluffing with jack shite" but still have her beat.

A 2
A 4
A 5
A 6
A 7
A 8
A J
A Q
A K
K 2
K 4
K 5
K 6
K 7
K 8
Q 2
Q 4
Q 5
Q 6
Q 7

I could go on...those are just starting from the top.

In other words, she could've been dead-on accurate that he had jack-shite (and she was...kind of; he was on a draw), but still easily lose $150K+ to him on that hand; that's how stupid of a decision it was.

In the end, it worked out for her. But not because of her decision-making; in spite of her decision-making.

Again, that's why this hand seems suspicious to some.

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This seems to be where we are losing people. Some seem to think that, just because he was the bluffer and she was the caller, it automatically means that her cards must be better than his. The stupidity of what she did is so incredible that rational minds can't seem to grasp what we're trying to say.

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I think they’re familiar with old school Daniel negreanu saying, “I think you have aces” and that’s how you decide on a call. When if fact, you’re calling based on your opponent perceived range. I made this reference earlier and said sometimes Daniel would say a hand he couldn’t beat and still called, because he’s calling based on the opponent’s range.

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That sounds about right. I've made some ace high calls before and felt and looked like a damn moron. I couldn't imagine showing down jack high. It's just unbelievable

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I made a 1.8x pot call ($2.4k)against a studied player at l’auberge with AAc on a K9434 3 club board about a month ago. Anyone else on the table I snap fold the river. He had quads Lol

Well that's brutal. I would be lost in NLHE now. My mind has switched so much over to PLO, I wouldn't really know what to do. The CB'ing and everything else is just so different.

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So she would beat 3 hands in his bluff range and lose to like 20 hands in his bluff range. And she wasn't getting 7:1 on her money to call.

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Trust me, SFP. We aren't ready for this deep of a dive into expected value just yet

We're still explaining why it's moronic to risk your entire stack with J-high "just because the other guy is bluffing."

I get it, man. I was just messing around. ??

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Well that's brutal. I would be lost in NLHE now. My mind has switched so much over to PLO, I wouldn't really know what to do. The CB'ing and everything else is just so different

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NLHE is a much different game when you get into higher stakes. I tend to play 1/2, 1/3, 2/5 and the occasional 5/10. My local casinos only have 1/2 and 2/5 (on Fridays), so that’s all I’ve been playing.

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Sure. As the stakes rise, all forms of poker transition from primarily value betting (at our level), to protecting against getting bluffed off equity. I know and played with a guy that moved to high stakes and it's just insane the money he plays for. I saw him post a hand on Facebook he lost at aria in the ivey room, nut flush vs straight flush. Want to say it was a 300k pot. I'd jump off the top of the building. Doesn't even faze him at all.

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Yep, fast playing big hands and not making big river calls is definitely the most profitable way of playing at low stakes.

Assuming he practices good bankroll management and is appropriately rolled for the game, that’s just part of the variance ride for poker pros. I’m with you in wanting to jump of the building.

While coolers hurt, they are a part of the game. I tend to get more upset when I replay the hand and realize I make a mistake.