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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:42 pm to CarRamrod
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:42 pm to CarRamrod
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but she didnt know that.
Which, once again, lends itself to why her play was so idiotic/suspicious. If she put him on a draw, then she'd have to be concerned that one of her only "outs" was a card that could actually help him more than it helps her.
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:44 pm to UGATiger26
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Which, once again, lends itself to why her play was so idiotic/suspicious. If she put him on a draw, then she'd have to be concerned that one of her only "outs" was a card that could actually help him more than it helps her.
She was pretty confident that he "didnt have jack shite"....thats what she said
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:45 pm to tgrbaitn08
His “jack shite” beats her hand most of the time
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:48 pm to tgrbaitn08
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She was pretty confident that he "didnt have jack shite"....thats what she said
It's all relative.
"Jack shite" in that scenario could be Q 2 off-suit....which is a "jack shite" starting hand, but would still have her beat.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I think that his only real bluff range that she beats is the hand he held and the same hand in hearts
This is the only indicator that something fishy was going on. I tend to think it was just dumb luck.
Then Garrett is embarrassed. She's embarrassed. She gives non-sensical explanation. She compounds everything by giving the money back. It's not her money so RIP gets pissed off.
What a wild hand
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:51 pm to CarRamrod
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This is what happens when statistics bite you in the arse. Didnt she still have a 43% chance of winning the hand?
47%
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:53 pm to lance814
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His “jack shite” beats her hand most of the time
That's what makes this whole sequence very interesting.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:56 pm to AlterDWI
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This is the only indicator that something fishy was going on. I tend to think it was just dumb luck. Then Garrett is embarrassed. She's embarrassed. She gives non-sensical explanation. She compounds everything by giving the money back. It's not her money so RIP gets pissed off. What a wild hand
I don’t think Garrett was embarrassed. He’s looking towards Andy and Phil like wtf is going on?
I think it’s a reasonable stance that she just doesn’t know how bad it looks to call there. Everything in her mannerisms to her explanations to the vibrating when she throws in a time chip make me think there’s likely foul play.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:00 pm to Meauxjeaux
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47%
She’s actually a 55% favorite vs his hand. Hustler removes the cards that were folded from the percentages.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:06 pm to lance814
You may be right, but I would be shocked if this was the person they recruited for an elaborate poker cheating scam. I would want someone with at least enough knowledge to make it look believable.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 2:14 pm to AlterDWI
No offense to her, but I think she is perceived as low intellect which makes her perfect for this spot. No one would expect the person that is perceived as a button clicker. If you put a skilled or known player in that spot, there’s no doubt it’s cheating.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 4:27 pm to lance814
I watched Doug Polk's assessment. I'm pretty sure the vibrating chair part is just her nervous leg shake. The "wavelengths" seemed way too slow to be a mechanical device.
I don't know if people deploying complex cheating systems would risk exposure on that hand. I think she just said frick it. Her demeanor for the entire hand seemed tainted with aggression specifically targeted at Garrett. That plus not being a great player opens up all sorts of strange decisions. She may have thought she was weak but had outs and decided just to roll the dice.
I don't know if people deploying complex cheating systems would risk exposure on that hand. I think she just said frick it. Her demeanor for the entire hand seemed tainted with aggression specifically targeted at Garrett. That plus not being a great player opens up all sorts of strange decisions. She may have thought she was weak but had outs and decided just to roll the dice.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:10 pm to PeteRose
He says that wasn't a "poker play". After the turn he only had a 53% chance to win. She said she was playing the person.
He either needed a club, 6 or J and like I mentioned he did only have a 53% chance to win. If she was familiar with how he played I didn't understand why it was such a big deal.
He bet expecting her to fold. The turn wasn't anything that helped him and as for as she could see, there was a good chance the river wasn't helpful to him. He was a bitch because he was trying to buy the pot and got called out on it. And from what she said, it seems like his actions in the past gave her a reason to call..
He either needed a club, 6 or J and like I mentioned he did only have a 53% chance to win. If she was familiar with how he played I didn't understand why it was such a big deal.
He bet expecting her to fold. The turn wasn't anything that helped him and as for as she could see, there was a good chance the river wasn't helpful to him. He was a bitch because he was trying to buy the pot and got called out on it. And from what she said, it seems like his actions in the past gave her a reason to call..
Posted on 10/3/22 at 6:41 pm to OweO
Because anyone with a general understanding of the game knows how poorly of a call that was. This isn’t a $20 tournament you play with your friends where everyone plays every hand. This is $100/$200/$400 and it was a $110k bet that she had 7% equity vs his range. Saying “she played the man” is a bad argument because even if she knows he’s semi bluffing, a vast majority of his hands beats her.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:10 pm to lance814
I can’t believe this thread is still going and people are still arguing about this.
She made a call wanting to see if he was bluffing. And he was semi bluffing. That shite happens all the time in poker, does it not? It really could be as simple as that. Could she be part of some gigantic, elaborate cheating scandal? Sure. But that’s highly unlikely IMO. It’s just weird that people are so emotionally attached to this hand of poker when there is a very simple explanation sitting out there. And the hand was pretty statistically even as well (53/47). So statistically, his actions were just as stupid as hers. Yet everyone is shitting on her and taking his side.
Very weird.
She made a call wanting to see if he was bluffing. And he was semi bluffing. That shite happens all the time in poker, does it not? It really could be as simple as that. Could she be part of some gigantic, elaborate cheating scandal? Sure. But that’s highly unlikely IMO. It’s just weird that people are so emotionally attached to this hand of poker when there is a very simple explanation sitting out there. And the hand was pretty statistically even as well (53/47). So statistically, his actions were just as stupid as hers. Yet everyone is shitting on her and taking his side.
Very weird.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:16 pm to CocomoLSU
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She made a call wanting to see if he was bluffing. And he was semi bluffing. That shite happens all the time in poker, does it not?
No, it doesn't. Not like this. There's a reason why the title of the YT vid linked in the OP is:
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The Most INSANE Hero Call In Poker History
The debate over whether she was cheating or not is the intriguing aspect. I could go either way.
But if you think this was a run-of-the-mill hand of poker, then you have no clue what you are talking about.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:26 pm to CocomoLSU
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She made a call wanting to see if he was bluffing. And he was semi bluffing. That shite happens all the time in poker, does it not? It really could be as simple as that. Could she be part of some gigantic, elaborate cheating scandal? Sure. But that’s highly unlikely IMO
I'm guessing you don't play much poker if you don't see how crazy her call was. Yes she called cause she thought he was bluffing. Yes he was semi-bluffing. The problem with her call is that even if he is bluffing she still can only beat his EXACT hand in the range of hands that he could've possibly had. No player that knows even a little about poker would make a call knowing they can only beat 1 hand that their opponent could have.
Now with that being said I think she just got caught up in knowing he was bluffing and wanted to catch him but failed to realize she didn't have a hand that could even beat a bluff outside of the 1 hand he had.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:39 pm to tigerinthebayou
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I'm guessing you don't play much poker if you don't see how crazy her call was. Yes she called cause she thought he was bluffing. Yes he was semi-bluffing. The problem with her call is that even if he is bluffing she still can only beat his EXACT hand in the range of hands that he could've possibly had. No player that knows even a little about poker would make a call knowing they can only beat 1 hand that their opponent could have.
Someone whose poker knowledge extends only as far as watching Rounders and a couple episodes of WSOP on ESPN with their friends will be along shortly to tell you that "it was a coin flip!"....
...without understanding that the only way those odds would be relevant is if they had played the hand with their cards face-up.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:00 pm to CocomoLSU
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So statistically, his actions were just as stupid as hers.
Bluffing with outs to the nuts is never dumber than calling an all in with like the 5th worst possible hand.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:47 pm to CocomoLSU
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It’s just weird that people are so emotionally attached to this hand of poker when there is a very simple explanation sitting out there. And the hand was pretty statistically even as well (53/47). So statistically, his actions were just as stupid as hers. Yet everyone is shitting on her and taking his side.
People want to believe in the myth of the poker god
The one who finally figured it out
They think this dude that got played by flesh with tits is a genius
Anyone as good at poker as all these people claim to be would not even care about this
It would be like dropping a penny if they figured out the game to the big brain levels they claim to understand
The only poker players that arent still grinding it out are the ones that tripped through a big money tournament and you never heard from again
Because they arent broke as frick begging for money. They quit that second.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 8:49 pm
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