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re: Teen Tased By Trooper On Girlfriend's Porch
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:27 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:27 pm to BuckyCheese
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sweet baby jesus.....
I'm talking about if the cop was trying to arrest him for something and the kid resisting, and the cop killing the kid. I've already said the cop was wrong, but situations can easily escalate.
You can sweet baby jesus all you want, but crazy shite happens in the real world.
Just search on youtube.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:33 pm
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Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:30 pm to 56lsu
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no it's police who have no respect for people.
So all police have no respect for people? Pretty broad brush there.
No, it's assholes that have no respect for people. Some happen to be cops. Some happen to be teachers, some happen to be cashiers, etc.
I know quite a few cops, most are damn good people, some are assholes.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:35 pm to Speedy G
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US Supreme court just ruled UNANIMOUSLY today that cops can't pursue a suspected drunk driver into his garage w/o a warrant.
Sort of.
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The Court’s Fourth Amendment precedents thus point toward assessing case by case the exigencies arising from misdemeanants’ flight. When the totality of circumstances shows an emergency—a need to act before it is possible to get a warrant—the police may act without waiting. Those circumstances include the flight itself. But pursuit of a misdemeanant does not trigger a categorical rule allowing a warrantless home entry.
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There was an oft-discussed exception: An
officer, according to the common-law treatises, could enter a house to pursue a felon. But in the misdemeanor context, officers had more limited authority to intrude on a fleeing suspect’s home. The commentators generally agreed that the authority turned on the circumstances; none suggested a rule authorizing warrantless entry in everymisdemeanor-pursuit case. In short, the common law did not have— and does not support—a categorical rule allowing warrantless home entry when a suspected misdemeanant flees.
It says that when such an attempt involves a misdemeanor the officer had better have a frickton of underlying context for doing so. "He wouldn't pull over" or "I though he was acting suspiciously" simply doesn't cover it.
Had Lange run over a kid or a mailbox, or run someone off the road, etc. then the officer would have been completely within legal rights.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:35 pm to i am dan
MMauler sure thinks and fantasizes about rape a lot. Interesting.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:35 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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Ding, ding, ding. I think we've found a root cause of these situations. It's clear that many officers out there are trained that everyone in every situation is a potential threat and suspect.
They are.
Even in rural WI they act like a simple traffic stop is the equivalent of taking down Capone and his gang. Often they will call for backup if another car is nearby before even approaching the car they stopped.
I'm old enough to remember when they didn't act that way and the only dickheads were generally the State Troopers.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:36 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:That dude is not stable
MMauler sure thinks and fantasizes about rape a lot. Interesting.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:37 pm to Kentucker
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YES THEY frickING DO! That’s what we pay them to do.
You do understand that there is something called false arrest, no?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:38 pm to Bard
So someone can run from the cops and yell “base” when they get home?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:39 pm to Kujo
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So someone can run from the cops and yell “base” when they get home?
If it's a simple misdemeanor, yep.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:40 pm to BuckyCheese
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They are.
Even in rural WI they act like a simple traffic stop is the equivalent of taking down Capone and his gang. Often they will call for backup if another car is nearby before even approaching the car they stopped.
I'm old enough to remember when they didn't act that way and the only dickheads were generally the State Troopers.
The world around them has changed, wouldn't you say. Maybe that could be part of the problem as well.
Has everybody on edge.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:41 pm to Kentucker
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When that’s the case, the cop has priority. The suspect cannot be allowed to be in command of the encounter. That’s just logic.
So what is he a suspect of? Darting? Using a shortcut to his girlfriends house?
The whole incident should have started and ended as a rational conversation. Coming with taser armed is confrontational.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:41 pm to i am dan
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Now, if you were a cop, what would tend to stick in your head? The millions of smooth interactions or videos of cops getting fired at without warning? Like that video of the cop walking to the back of the truck after the driver gets out. The driver shoots him a bunch of times while the cop is screaming, then the driver executes him.
I agree, even though I think the cop is in the wrong here.
Cops fearing every traffic stop is irrational. But so are most of our crime precautions. And cops have to get some benefit of the doubt otherwise we won't have any cops. High standards, yes. But no margin for error isn't workable.
And while it may be illogical, the profiling that cops do is based on lived experience of themselves or other cops. Sometimes that's exaggerated, usually by bad cops. But is being on guard a little more when pulling over a shitty car full of black male teens profiling or evolved survival instinct?
All that said, I don't attribute this to survival instinct or profiling. I blame this incident on boxing cops in by not giving them better guidance/options on dealing with low-risk offenders who aren't complying.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:43 pm to Kujo
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So someone can run from the cops and yell “base” when they get home?
In some places, they only need to run. Cops can't chase.
Sounds crazy huh?
I posted this thread the other day.
LINK
Dude gets carjacked right in front of the cops, rams into the back of their cruiser while taking off, and cops do nothing.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:51 pm to i am dan
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The world around them has changed, wouldn't you say. Maybe that could be part of the problem as well.
Has everybody on edge.
In rural WI?
No, it hasn't.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:51 pm to Kentucker
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Let’s be empathetic with him for a moment.
I am 100% empathetic, i couldnt imagine dealing with pieces of shite like they do all day every day and its no wonder so many are jaded. I dont think most are on a power trip just completely out of paitence.
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You’re him. You instruct the kid to put his hands behind him, a routine stance that, if obeyed, tells you that he will be compliant.
why would you walk directly up to someone and immediatly instruct them to put their hands behind their back without questioning and determining there was a crime committed?
florida is one of the most lenient for cops to question and even then you have to have reasonable suspicision that a crime has been committed to just walk up and demand he put his hands behind his back
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Now he’s in the potehtial threat category. What do you do? What you’re allowed to do, of course. To neutralize the suspect.
first off he wasnt a suspect. a suspect implies that a crime has been committed and you suspect that person of the crime. Get yoru wording right, as it actually matters.
The cop was investigation suspicious activity, which in and of itself is not a crime, meaning the person was not a suspect.
So what do you do? I dunno perform your duty like every cop is instructed. You approach the person, You simply explain why you are questioning him and you politly ask him if he lives there and if not who is he visiting. You ask for name and address.
from there when he answers it is his girlfriends house, you inform him you will knock on the door to confirm. Once you confirm you apologize and shake his hand while wishing him and the girlfriend a great day.
you leave with a smile.
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What’s wrong with the comment? When encountering a police officer, you are required to obey his instructions. Not just do what you want.
you do understand there is a thing called wrongful arrest correct? also you do understand almost every state requires that a crime have been committed to stop and question. Even in florida he has to pretty much have proof one is committed.
and no you are not required to obey his instructions. You have rights as a citizen. That would be a like a cop coming on my property because i am in the yard in grey sweat pants and him telling me i have to identify myself. Absolutely i do not. In louisiana i must give name and address, verbally. I do not have to give him anything. It is a misdomeanor to lie about those.
in florida, the law is very specific about what the officer can and cant do. you should 901.15 in this LINK
he has to tell the suspect he is being arrested or detained and tell him why
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:52 pm to i am dan
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So all police have no respect for people? Pretty broad brush there.
Almost as broad a brush as cops tend to use when deciding someone dressed in black might be suspicious.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:53 pm to Epic Cajun
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I'm far from a "the cop is wrong every time" poster. I think that most of the shootings that have been highlighted in the past year are "okay", especially if there are weapons involved. I'm not an NPC, I look at each case and judge it from there. This cop was a dumbass. Any cop that thinks that he has the overarching power that you've posted about in this thread is also a dumbass. They aren't all that way.
100%
i dont get why it has to be you are for cops or against cops
why can twe look at each case. In this case, the cop was a dumbass and escalated the situation.
and the whole try being a cop for a week comment just shows how stupid people are.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:57 pm to lsu777
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frick that. so does a cop have free range to say any one and everyone is a suspect? are cops at war with the public? the answer is frick no, he is there to protect and serve. WHo did he protect and who did he serve? What fricking threat?
We do not pay cops to go around and think everyone is a suspect.
I do not understand why some of you stupid fricks cant admit...yea the kid was a dumb arse and simply should have communicated, but the cop was an even bigger dumbass.
understand sometimes....both sides are wrong.
I didn't want to jump back in here, and I don't want to defend Kentucker. But your problem is that you're basing your entire argument here on the outcome and not the situation as it unfolded.
You say "what fricking threat?" because, as it turns out, the kid was not a threat and it was his gf's house. But the cop can't possibly know that in real time. And a kid wearing black hoodies in the summer isn't suspicious. But one that sees the cop and immediately ducks off into the bushes damn sure could be. It seems to me like that's a fairly reasonable assumption to make if you're a cop.
And when approached, the kid belligerent toward the cop. So the cop escalated to the taser.
My issue is that even with the taser pulled (for everyone's safety), have the gf come out and clear things up, then explain to the kid why you approached him. Then it's over. Where the cop fricked up the most is his reaction to the kid cursing him. That's where, even if it's not a "power trip," it certainly can be construed as one.
Like you said, both sides were definitely wrong. And I tend to lean toward the cop deserving the majority of the blame. But let's not pretend that someone seeing the cops and then darting into some bushes can't be considered "suspicious." (if that's what really happened, since we won't know for sure)
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:58 pm to OweO
“I didn’t do nothing”
That means you did something. I bet she has a single mom.
That means you did something. I bet she has a single mom.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 1:59 pm to i am dan
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Dude gets carjacked right in front of the cops, rams into the back of their cruiser while taking off, and cops do nothing.
and pursuing would have caused more to be in danger, should have followed from afar and got the helicopter to follow or simply radio ahead.
getting the suspect isnt worth killing some innocent family driving down the high way
think abotu it, say you are driving down i-10 with your family, guy or the cops run into you and kill your kids. say He was wanted for car theft, was it frickign worth it??? hell no.
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