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Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:02 pm to CocomoLSU
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I didn't want to jump back in here, and I don't want to defend Kentucker. But your problem is that you're basing your entire argument here on the outcome and not the situation as it unfolded.
You say "what fricking threat?" because, as it turns out, the kid was not a threat and it was his gf's house. But the cop can't possibly know that in real time. And a kid wearing black hoodies in the summer isn't suspicious. But one that sees the cop and immediately ducks off into the bushes damn sure could be. It seems to me like that's a fairly reasonable assumption to make if you're a cop.
And when approached, the kid belligerent toward the cop. So the cop escalated to the taser.
My issue is that even with the taser pulled (for everyone's safety), have the gf come out and clear things up, then explain to the kid why you approached him. Then it's over. Where the cop fricked up the most is his reaction to the kid cursing him. That's where, even if it's not a "power trip," it certainly can be construed as one.
Like you said, both sides were definitely wrong. And I tend to lean toward the cop deserving the majority of the blame. But let's not pretend that someone seeing the cops and then darting into some bushes can't be considered "suspicious." (if that's what really happened, since we won't know for sure)
no i agree and two post above your said how it should have been handled.
but the cop walked up and immediately told him to put his hands behind his back. Cop is in the wrong right then and there. Kid is on private property and has the right now to comply.
cop cant just put his uniform on and start walking up to random people in yards claiming suspision activity. doesnt work that away
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:03 pm to CocomoLSU
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But let's not pretend that someone seeing the cops and then darting into some bushes can't be considered "suspicious." (if that's what really happened, since we won't know for sure)
It didn't.
Cop just trying to cover his arse.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:04 pm to CocomoLSU
The cop can knock on the facking door and ask whose home before he tazes the shite out of a kid.
How hard is that.
How hard is that.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:08 pm to MMauler
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He's wearing all black -- the standard "uniform"
A standard outfit for thousands of people that in no way helps him blend into his surroundings in the broad daylight of Florida. Also doesn't have his hoodie over his head and isn't wearing a mask so his identity is not obscured in any way. Wearing clothes that would make it more difficult to commit a crime is not reasonable suspicion.
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(sometimes armed)
So does the right to bear arms and the prevalence of guns in our society help keep us safe or make us less safe? I am pro guns by the way. I'm just sick of people using the right to bear arms as a justification for Cops to make unreasonable suspicions of threats in all interactions.
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Upon seeing the cop, he ducked into someone's backyard.
Upon seeing the cop he continues to do the same lawful actions he was in the process of doing. Visiting his gf at her home where he had been invited to.
Also ducked? That's according to the Cop with no additional footage or third party witness.
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The cop confronts him IN SOMEONE ELSE'S BACKYARD.
The cop does not know this is someone else's backyard until he is told so by the teen.
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THEN AND ONLY THEN is he given a lawful order and refuses to comply. He keeps texting.
Look up Florida Highway Patrol policy regarding use of CEW (conducted electrical weapons). Specifically the difference between "active resistance" vs "passive resistance."
"The use of a CEW (conducted electrical weapon) is authorized and may be an appropriate response in the case of a sudden attack, or when ‘active resistance’ or greater is offered by a subject who is about to be taken into custody for any reason"
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The cop has no f*cking clue who he's texting. Is he texting an armed accomplice in the home.
An armed accomplice in the home? the very same home that he is suspiciously in the backyard of and the cop thinks he is trespassing in? So either he knows the people who live there or burglars regularly meetup at the place they are robbing. If the second sounds reasonable to you, then why does neither the original or amended report by the cop give any indication that the cop had reason to believe the house had already been broken into.
Also, if he was afraid of that it sure didn't appear that way when the GF opened the door and when he had his back to it. He just says don't move and ignores it when she does.
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ringing the girl's front doorbell (like a normal person does),
I don't know where you live and I don't live in Florida, but where I grew up no one enters someone's home through the front door. I've always entered my friends homes by going around the side and knocking on the back door and I'm not from some rural town where everyone keeps the door unlocked.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Pettifogger
I'm just gonna start quoting your posts as my own, as pretty much everything you've said is what I'm thinking as well.
Especially the part about "profiling." IMO there isn't anything wrong with profiling. Not just for cops, but in life. Everyone does it, and like you said, it's not racist but more of evolving and experience. 100% of people in the world (whites, blacks, everyone) would have more of a guard up, even if only slightly, when confronted with a group of black males moreso than a lady with a small baby, or an elderly couple walking down the street. It doesn't mean you hate black people, it's just your experiences guiding you thoughts/actions. Crime statistics lean heavily in favor of particular races over others, so when confronted with those particular races, cops SHOULD be more wary of the situation. Statistics aren't racist.
The problem comes in when cops can't put those thoughts and feelings aside in simpler situations like this one. Sure, the kid was black, and his actions aroused "suspicion." But once you confront him and get his explanation, it seems pretty easy to verify if he's telling the truth, and if so be on your way and let him on his.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:09 pm to OweO
Regarding this post, some people will spend hours scouring the net to find ANY police interaction with a White officer and any person of color, where non-compliance of a lawful order or actual resisting arrest results in a legally justifiable use of force.
The bottom line in 99%+ of these cases, is if the suspect simply COMPLIED with the lawful order, nothing injurious would have occurred. Looks like in this case, if the "kid" simply complied, he would have been released with no charges after the trooper confirmed everything was legit.
Based upon how the kid was behaving, darting around hiding in the bushes, then sneaking to the back porch, any reasonable person would have found it suspicious.
The bottom line in 99%+ of these cases, is if the suspect simply COMPLIED with the lawful order, nothing injurious would have occurred. Looks like in this case, if the "kid" simply complied, he would have been released with no charges after the trooper confirmed everything was legit.
Based upon how the kid was behaving, darting around hiding in the bushes, then sneaking to the back porch, any reasonable person would have found it suspicious.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:13 pm to lsu777
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the kid belligerent toward the cop. So the cop escalated to the taser.
You have a first amendment right to to tell a cop to go frick himself. As long as you are not actively resisting or endangering the cop that's not a justified increase in force.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:13 pm to BuckyCheese
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It didn't.
Cop just trying to cover his arse.
Sure, or it's exactly what happened. Neither of us know what actually happened. But only one of us is pretending to.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:14 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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The cop can knock on the facking door and ask whose home before he tazes the shite out of a kid.
How hard is that.
So you mean just like this part of my post that you responded to:
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My issue is that even with the taser pulled (for everyone's safety), have the gf come out and clear things up, then explain to the kid why you approached him.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:15 pm to Jay Are
right you are.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:20 pm to BuckyCheese
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In rural WI?
No, it hasn't.
Who's talking about rural WI?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:22 pm to eatpie
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The bottom line in 99%+ of these cases, is if the suspect simply COMPLIED with the lawful order, nothing injurious would have occurred. Looks like in this case, if the "kid" simply complied, he would have been released with no charges after the trooper confirmed everything was legit.
Was it a lawful order? Need probable cause not reasonable suspicion to make an arrest. "Putt your hands behind your back" sounds like an arrest command. Kid was lawfully on private property and provided a reasonable explanation to the Trooper. Kid did not threaten the Trooper.
Just like citizens, LEOs have a responsibility to follow the law and policies of their agency.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:22 pm to eatpie
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So does the right to bear arms and the prevalence of guns in our society help keep us safe or make us less safe? I am pro guns by the way. I'm just sick of people using the right to bear arms as a justification for Cops to make unreasonable suspicions of threats in all interactions.
I'd bet the majority of bootlickers here are gun owners. They certainly support the 2A.
Quite the conundrum this presents.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:22 pm to Jay Are
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Almost as broad a brush as cops tend to use when deciding someone dressed in black might be suspicious.
Yep, cops all over are tazing people wearing black. I saw 14 today on my way to lunch. Crazy!
You sound just like my mom. She sees something bad on Facebook and think it's everywhere.
This post was edited on 6/23/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:24 pm to i am dan
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Who's talking about rural WI?
From the post you quoted/responded too;
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Even in rural WI they act like a simple traffic stop is the equivalent of taking down Capone and his gang.
Cementhead.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:25 pm to Pettifogger
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The cop could have stood there and continued to point a taser at a practically motionless teen
A practically motionless teen, who was behaving suspiciously and refusing to comply with simple and reasonable instructions. Should the trooper have waited until the adult sized teen reached into his pocket? Then waited another second to make sure he didn't have a weapon? Then wait another second to determine if the weapon is real?
I wonder, what could possibly have been a better solution:
A. The trooper, seeing a suspiciously behaving man, ignore his observations and go get a donut and coffee?
or
B. Suspicious man says hello officer, this is my girlfriend's house. then comply unill the officer confirms he is legit?
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:26 pm to BuckyCheese
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Cementhead.
I was referring to traffic stops in general, not rural Wisconsin.
Posted on 6/23/21 at 2:26 pm to BuckyCheese
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It didn't.
Cop just trying to cover his arse.
Because cops always write reports before the incidents happen.
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