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Study of Diamond Princess Cruise Ship - mortality rate of Wuhan Flu is only 0.5%
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:41 am
Signs are pointing to this being a more widespread, but less serious illness than what our lopsided data initially indicated.
More than likely, the China was several months behind the outbreak. Community transmissions were likely happening in most countries since late January (possibly earlier). Thousands were likely treated for flu-like symptoms with OTC drugs and have since recovered.
Exponentially more people are infected (or have been infected, but have recovered) than what is reported, making the mortality rate significantly lower than reported. Over 80% of the people who will get Coronavirus will show minor symptoms or no symptoms at all - which makes it much easier to spread.
If this turns out to have a mortality rate much lower than SARS, will you all go back to work?
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Estimating the infection and case fatality ratio for COVID-19 using age-adjusted data from the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship
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Quarantined at sea off Japan after a passenger tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the ship became a natural data lab where nearly everyone was tested and few cases of infection were missed.
Infections and deaths onboard suggest that the disease’s true fatality ratio in China is about 0.5 percent, though that number may vary from place to place, researchers report March 9 in a paper posted at MedRxiv.org.
That 0.5 percent is far less than the 3.4 percent of confirmed cases that end in death cited by the World Health Organization, but troubling nonetheless. The WHO’s number has come under fire because the true number of people infected with the virus worldwide is not known.
More than likely, the China was several months behind the outbreak. Community transmissions were likely happening in most countries since late January (possibly earlier). Thousands were likely treated for flu-like symptoms with OTC drugs and have since recovered.
Exponentially more people are infected (or have been infected, but have recovered) than what is reported, making the mortality rate significantly lower than reported. Over 80% of the people who will get Coronavirus will show minor symptoms or no symptoms at all - which makes it much easier to spread.
If this turns out to have a mortality rate much lower than SARS, will you all go back to work?
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As of February 20, tests of most of the 3,711 people aboard the Diamond Princess confirmed that 634, or 17 percent, had the virus; 328 of them did not have symptoms at the time of diagnosis. Of those with symptoms, the fatality ratio was 1.9 percent, Russell and colleagues calculate. Of all infected, that ratio was 0.91 percent. Those 70 and older were most vulnerable, with an overall fatality ratio of about 7.3 percent.
Extrapolating those numbers to China, the team estimates that 1.1 percent of symptomatic cases there turned deadly. Considering asymptomatic cases drops that ratio to about 0.5 percent in China, the team calculates.
These ratios depend on available health care and public health measures, Russell cautions. And there are still uncertainties in the data, he notes. For example, some patients initially counted as asymptomatic may later develop symptoms, or even die. So the true fatality rate may be somewhat higher, “0.6 or 0.7 [percent], but it’s still a good ratio.”
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:43 am to member12
Average age 58. And who downvoted that post? Ridiculous.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
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EVERYONE PANIC
The media will cite the spread of the virus in their latest effort to incite panic. The mortality rate is going to drop like a stone over the next week and won't grab as many headlines.
It's a rapidly spreading virus, but the mortality rate is much lower than expected. All signs point to this being much less deadly than initially reported, but much more widespread.
Everything we have now is based on bad data that under reports the number of people infected or who have been infected but recovered.
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:45 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:44 am to member12
Wuhan flu ain’t nothin to frick with.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:44 am to member12
This is what many of us have suspected.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:46 am to member12
It’s weird that this ship isn’t the major talking point right now.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:47 am to member12
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Considering asymptomatic cases drops that ratio to about 0.5 percent in China, the team calculates.
They had to include the asymptomatic cases to get to that number. Most asymptomatic people out there don't know they have it and have never been tested.
This should tell you that the most destructive part about the Coronavirus is the reaction to it. We are tanking our own economy to protect against an overrated virus.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:48 am to RB10
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It’s weird that this ship isn’t the major talking point right now.
Our media has an agenda. It's an election year.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:50 am to UpToPar
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This is what many of us have suspected.
Media likes to generate hysteria about whatever they can.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:52 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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It’s just the flu guys
This is much deadlier than the flu, idiot
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:53 am to member12
It's not just about death rate.
If the hospitalization rate is 10% and everybody gets sick at once you quickly overwhelm hospitals, many of which are already at capacity. These patients also need isolation.
Why is this so hard to comprehend?
If the hospitalization rate is 10% and everybody gets sick at once you quickly overwhelm hospitals, many of which are already at capacity. These patients also need isolation.
Why is this so hard to comprehend?
This post was edited on 3/16/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:53 am to St Augustine
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Worldwide Deaths..
Jan-Feb 2020
2,360: Coronavirus
69,602: Common Cold/Flu
240,950: HIV
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:54 am to member12
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If this turns out to have a mortality rate much lower than SARS, will you all go back to work?
there is no question this has a lower mortality rate than SARS
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:57 am to 13SaintTiger
I’m mocking the people who have been saying that
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:57 am to 13SaintTiger
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This is much deadlier than the flu, idiot
If its a .5% mortality rate...not really, not by much.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:58 am to member12
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Everything we have now is based on bad data that under reports the number of people infected or who have been infected but recovered.
Posted on 3/16/20 at 9:59 am to kywildcatfanone
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Media likes to generate hysteria about whatever they can.
Watch closely - they will over report the news on the spread of the virus while glossing over the mortality rate over the next few days and weeks.
The mortality rate will decline rapidly.
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