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re: Stanford University anti-body study finds COVID-19 more widespread than thought
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:01 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:01 pm to buckeye_vol
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These studies are really bad, and Stanford medicine employs a lot of really bad scientists apparently.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:02 pm to PhiTiger1764
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The article is based off of ESTIMATES! This is not hard data.
So is the yearly influenza data. You think there were 45 million confirmed flu cases in the 17-18 season?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:02 pm to buckeye_vol
How many false positives added to the death total?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:03 pm to GRTiger
quote:Probably far less than the false negatives given the excess mortality data.
How many false positives added to the death total?
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:03 pm to Jake88
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Also, hospitals don't reserve and occupy three floors for just influenza patients.
Which hospital that you have personally been in, has three floors occupied with CV patients?
I also used to work in hospital facilities, mostly at Emory but also Emory Midtown.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:05 pm to jchamil
If we can remove all of the "presumed" deaths for Covid, can we leave out all the "presumed" deaths for every other disease we're comparing it to?
Because if that's the case then we can start citing like 15k or less for a bad flu season.
Because if that's the case then we can start citing like 15k or less for a bad flu season.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:05 pm to Pintail
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3. Read the article put out by Stanford that studied and tells you what the denominator is.
Is the denominator the same in every county?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:05 pm to buckeye_vol
How many false positives plus true negatives plus never even tested added to the death total?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:06 pm to jchamil
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Is that a confirmed number or does it include the 3700 presumed deaths that they just added in?
More goal post moving! Love it!
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:06 pm to RollTide1987
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A bad flu season can and does do that. There were well over a million hospitalizations during the 2017-18 flu season.
And they had tent hospitals in places. Didn't make CNN. (Well maybe it did. I never watch it.)
To the idiotic downvoter who can't be bothered to use her brain to actually respond:
NYT article
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By mid-January [2018], the flu season at Lehigh Valley Hospital-Cedar Crest here in Allentown was bad enough to justify dragging out the “surge tent.”
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:09 pm to PhiTiger1764
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More goal post moving! Love it!
I'm not the one who used words like "confirmed" and "facts"
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:09 pm to PhiTiger1764
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How dense are you? The article is based off of ESTIMATES! This is not hard data.
So using this rational.
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During October 1, 2017–May 19, 2018, clinical laboratories tested 1,210,053 specimens for influenza virus; 224,113 (18.5%) tested positive (Supplementary Figure 1, LINK
Public health laboratories tested 98,446 specimens during October 1, 2017–May 19, 2018; 53,790 (54.6%) were positive for influenza viruses, including 38,303 (71.2%) positive for influenza A and 15,487 (28.8%) for influenza B (Supplementary Figure 2, LINK
That is ~278,000 CONFIRMED cases for 2017-2018.
Which with your rational, the 2017-2017 flu season was extremely deadly. Actually, had a death rate of about 30%.
Now we both know that isn’t true right?
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:10 pm to McLemore
You people really need to stop focusing on single articles and making pronouncements. That is why we do literature reviews. We look at the preponderance of evidence, not a single study.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:11 pm to deeprig9
quote:I know personally of one. But, as I said earlier, other facilities I have personal knowledge of have never been impacted by influenza like COVID.
Which hospital that you have personally been in, has three floorsoccupied with CV patients
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:13 pm to RollTide1987
The China virus is clearly more widespread.
Just based on testing results, it can be extrapolated that there are roughly 3-4million cases in the US. Consider that and then look at the hospitalization and deaths and you see how low the respective rates are
Just based on testing results, it can be extrapolated that there are roughly 3-4million cases in the US. Consider that and then look at the hospitalization and deaths and you see how low the respective rates are
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:21 pm to RollTide1987
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These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases
50x higher? Holy shite.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:22 pm to Jim Rockford
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Nowhere near enough for herd immunity
We would be about halfway there, I think.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:30 pm to wdhalgren
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I'm not disagreeing with the point you're trying to make, but your statement above is wrong. That's the definition of case fatality rate, using diagnosed, i.e. cofirmed, cases in the denominator
I’m not sure if anyone else has addressed it, but for the flu they don’t use “confirmed “ cases as the denominator. They use an estimate of how many they think had the flu..
If they calculated the flu CFR the same exact way they are currently calculating CV CFR (deaths both confirmed and assumed/estimated total cases), the flu is over twice as deadly
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:32 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
You need a therapist.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:33 pm to TH03
The absolute state of his attitude.
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