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re: South Carolina likely to remain one of only two states without hate crime laws
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:40 am to GeauxOn
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:40 am to GeauxOn
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hope they continue to keep their identity as a state
Some of the off the beaten places still feel like the old SC that I grew up in. The growing areas are turning into generic slop (and Charleston is mostly a Yankee town now).
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:41 am to Chucktown_Badger
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"So you were brutally beaten, and that's bad and we want to punish that person, it's just that...well, you're not gay.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:42 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:Please explain to me why you think hate crimes is a two-tiered justice system that is different from the current justice system.
When you have two tiered justice like this it always gets corrupted, which is precisely why it should not exist.
quote:Why do we punish theft from a home more harshly than regular theft?
Why should a crime committed for those reasons/against those people be punished more harshly?
Why do we punish theft from a person more harshly than regular theft?
Why do we punish theft using a gun from a person more harshly than regular robbery?
Answer those questions, and I promise to answer your question.
quote:Hate crimes do apply to everyone.
If we think that any particular crime should be punished more harshly than it is currently, then just change the law so it applies to everyone. To argue otherwise is laughable.
quote:Your quote describes a situation that is actually the reverse of what is happening.
"So you were brutally beaten, and that's bad and we want to punish that person, it's just that...well, you're not gay. So they will be punished but next time if you truly want justice meted out in a way that's adequate and a deterrent to others from committing the same crime, try being gay."
Assailants are punished for assault and battery regardless of whether the victim is gay or not.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:45 am to Demonbengal
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Definitely would be a good place to move if things got too bad here.
You can only move here if you aren’t from the northeast or Ohio.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 9:46 am
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:48 am to Salviati
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Thus, for example, if a victim is selected because the victim is old, female, white, or a cop, the crime call for even more punishment.
Crimes against these victims are always prosecuted as hate crimes.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:51 am to jchamil
quote:Of course not. Why would they always be?quote:Crimes against these victims are always prosecuted as hate crimes.
Thus, for example, if a victim is selected because the victim is old, female, white, or a cop, the crime call for even more punishment.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:52 am to Salviati
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Why do we punish theft from a home more harshly than regular theft?
Well, you're breaking into a home in this instance.
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Why do we punish theft from a person more harshly than regular theft?
Stealing from a person lends itself to the possibility of violence that isn't there if you just steal from someone's vehicle or their desk at work.
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Why do we punish theft using a gun from a person more harshly than regular robbery?
The presence of the gun. Again, lends itself to a higher probability of violence than not using a gun.
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Hate crimes do apply to everyone.
There is simply no compelling reason to apply harsher penalties to "hate" crimes.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:54 am to RoyalAir
Hate crime legislation is stupid.
It's beyond stupid. I think everyone here can remember several local crimes where it should have been applied (were justice blind ) and it was ignored.
The existence of a crime is an act of hate so many , many times. But hate crime gets pulled out and stacked on either not often enough, or its used to bolster certain politicians' inflammatory rhetoric.
It's beyond stupid. I think everyone here can remember several local crimes where it should have been applied (were justice blind ) and it was ignored.
The existence of a crime is an act of hate so many , many times. But hate crime gets pulled out and stacked on either not often enough, or its used to bolster certain politicians' inflammatory rhetoric.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:54 am to Salviati
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Please explain to me why you think hate crimes is a two-tiered justice system that is different from the current justice system.
Because hate crimes increase the penalties for the SAME crime under the SAME circumstances when it's committed against certain segments of our population. It's the literal definition of two-tiered justice.
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Why do we punish theft from a home more harshly than regular theft?
Why do we punish theft from a person more harshly than regular theft?
Why do we punish theft using a gun from a person more harshly than regular robbery?
Answer those questions, and I promise to answer your question.
Because those are different crimes...one more severe than the other. This isn't rocket surgery.
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Your quote describes a situation that is actually the reverse of what is happening.
Assailants are punished for assault and battery regardless of whether the victim is gay or not.
Hang on a sec...what do you think the point of hate crime laws are? Methinks you need to look up the definition.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/29/26 at 9:56 am to Chucktown_Badger
I don't even understand how these laws are constitutional.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:03 am to GeauxOn
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With as many people moving to South Carolina, I hope they continue to keep their identity as a state and don't start trending more like North Carolina.
Unfortunately with all the transplants it will/has. Charleston now isn’t the same Charleston I grew up in. So many folks from Ohio and other places move here and it’s sickening. I go visit family in Beaufort and see tons of out of state licenses plates which I would never see growing up.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:04 am to jchamil
quote:So what? Why should that receive enhanced punishment?
Well, you're breaking into a home in this instance.
quote:Hate crimes receive enhanced punishment because they are viewed as more harmful than regular crimes.
There is simply no compelling reason to apply harsher penalties to "hate" crimes.
First, hate crimes can act as a form of community terror that intimidates not only the individual victim but an entire group. By targeting protected characteristics (age, race, religion, sexual orientation), hate crimes cause greater societal damage and warrant enhanced punishment. Hate crimes send a message to entire communities that they are unsafe, unwelcome, or inferior.
Second, like burglary, hate crimes are more psychologically traumatic than similar non-bias crimes. The victim was selected based on a characteristic the victim cannot control. The victim will feel unsafe based on a characteristic the victim cannot control.
Third, and possibly most important, hate crimes can cause members of the victims community to seek retribution. Not only against the perpetrator of the hate crime, but also against members of the perpetrator's community.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:05 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:Please attempt to explain what you think is unconstitutional about hate crimes.
I don't even understand how these laws are constitutional.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:07 am to Salviati
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attempt to
You might win more people over to your side if you dropped the condescension.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:08 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:You're wrong. The element of the crime does not depend on who the characteristics of the victim. The element of the crime depends on whether the assailant intentionally selected the victim based on a characteristic.
Because hate crimes increase the penalties for the SAME crime under the SAME circumstances when it's committed against certain segments of our population.
quote:Why is one more severe than the other?
Because those are different crimes...one more severe than the other. This isn't rocket surgery.
quote:Look in a mirror.
Hang on a sec...what do you think the point of hate crime laws are? Methinks you need to look up the definition.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:09 am to UFFan
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Couldn't a fight between two rival gangs theoretically be prosecuted as a hate crime?
Not if they're the same color.
It's always about color.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:11 am to Salviati
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You're wrong. The element of the crime does not depend on who the characteristics of the victim. The element of the crime depends on whether the assailant intentionally selected the victim based on a characteristic.
Do you read what you type?
It boils down to characteristics, period.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:26 am to Gullah Gullah Island
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I go visit family in Beaufort and see tons of out of state licenses plates which I would never see growing up.
Beautiful area. But the silver lining is that if they have out of state plates they likely don't live here (yet, at least).
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:35 am to real turf fan
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Hate crime legislation is stupid
My whole issue with it is that it directly criminalizes thought. If I kill Joe, that's murder. If I kill Joe because he's gay, that's murder *and* a hate crime. Joe is still dead. I'm still going to the electric chair for murder. What does it matter if I killed him because he's gay? The motive is inconsequential. The action is still the same.
You can't police thought. It's a slippery, dangerous slope. It leads to stuff like "hate speech," and protected classes. Which, again, destroys blind justice.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 10:37 am to Salviati
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So what? Why should that receive enhanced punishment?
You're being intentionally obtuse here. Breaking into a home means you're aware of the possibility of it being occupied which again lends itself to a higher probability of violence. Everything you asked about can be answered simply with the higher potential for violence resulting in worse punishment
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Hate crimes receive enhanced punishment because they are viewed as more harmful than regular crimes.
They aren't
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