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re: South Carolina likely to remain one of only two states without hate crime laws
Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:52 am to Salviati
Posted on 4/29/26 at 11:52 am to Salviati
cute, he’s definitely got the smug concept down from SFP or whoever’s alter he/she is. No one’s denying intent matters, that’s how we separate accidents from deliberate acts.
But you’re lumping two different things together. Intent that explains how the crime happened is fundamental. Using motive to punish the same act differently based on who the victim is is something else entirely.
That’s not just context, that’s assigning extra weight based on identity. (if we are honest is what you’re here defending)
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 11:54 am
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Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:01 pm to SallysHuman
quote:People already think in teams. People already think in terms of "us vs. them." People already think in terms of "collective blame and retaliation."quote:This is perfect. All of it.
Leaning this hard into “hate crimes” being somehow more damaging just pushes people to think in teams. It nudges everything toward us vs. them, where people stop being individuals and start being stand-ins for whatever group they belong to. And that’s the exact kind of thinking that leads to collective blame and retaliation in the first place.
Read this board on occasion.
Some people think black people are pitbulls, and that there should be segregation:
quote:
Segregation worked
It sucks they are like pit bulls
LINK
Some people think of young, black males as snakes and refuse to associate with them:
quote:LINK
What percentage of snakes are venomous?
Who cares? Avoid them all.
Hate crimes is not the cause of separation. Hate crime legislation recognizes the fact that some people see only separation and are willing to commit criminal acts because of it.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:02 pm to Klark Kent
As I said early in this thread, if the intent of punishment is to deter the commission of these crimes, why not just make the punishment for that crime the more harsh version for everyone?
Example: Beating someone up is a year in prison, they want the hate crime version to be 2 years in prison. Solution: make the crime for beating someone (anyone) up 2 years in prison.
The reason they don't is precisely because those pushing these ridiculous measures WANT a two tiered justice system.
Example: Beating someone up is a year in prison, they want the hate crime version to be 2 years in prison. Solution: make the crime for beating someone (anyone) up 2 years in prison.
The reason they don't is precisely because those pushing these ridiculous measures WANT a two tiered justice system.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
correct.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:02 pm to Salviati
quote:
Some people think black people are pitbulls, and that there should be segregation:
Voluntary segregation.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:05 pm to Klark Kent
quote:Motive is not tied to HOW the crime was committed. No one is getting more time for a pre-meditated murder because it was committed with a gun versus a knife versus poison.
Motive tied to how the crime was committed determines the level of intent, while motive tied to who the victim is assigns extra weight based on identity rather than the act itself.
Motive is tied to the intent of the accused. Motive is tied to WHY the accused committed the crime.
Like every other crime we've been talking about, hate based crimes are tied to WHY the accused committed the crime.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:06 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
Groups of black dudes from the south side of Chicago take the train up to the wealthier north side neighborhoods and target white women, whom they rob at gunpoint.
Hate crimes?
(This is not a theoretical by the way, it was actually happening in our neighborhood about the time we moved south).
Bumping this so you can provide your perspective Salviati.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:08 pm to Salviati
quote:
Motive is not tied to HOW the crime was committed. No one is getting more time for a pre-meditated murder because it was committed with a gun versus a knife versus poison.
Motive is tied to the intent of the accused. Motive is tied to WHY the accused committed the crime.
Like every other crime we've been talking about, hate based crimes are tied to WHY the accused committed the crime.
No shite. Motive needs to be proven for any murder. But you're suggesting that some motives are somehow "worse" than others, which is the whole point of why this is dumb.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:08 pm to Salviati
You’re still blending two different uses of motive.
Motive that explains why the act happened is already baked into intent, was it accidental, reckless, or deliberate.
But once you’ve already established deliberate murder, you’re no longer using motive to define the crime… you’re using it to re-rank the same crime based on the reason behind target selection. That’s the difference you keep conveniently skipping.
Motive that explains why the act happened is already baked into intent, was it accidental, reckless, or deliberate.
But once you’ve already established deliberate murder, you’re no longer using motive to define the crime… you’re using it to re-rank the same crime based on the reason behind target selection. That’s the difference you keep conveniently skipping.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:10 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:Were they targeting the women because they were white, female, or because they were wealthy?
Groups of black dudes from the south side of Chicago take the train up to the wealthier north side neighborhoods and target white women, whom they rob at gunpoint.
Hate crimes?
If they targeted based on race, that qualifies as a hate crime in Louisiana.
If they targeted based on gender, that qualifies as a hate crime in Louisiana.
If they targeted based on wealth, that does not qualify as a hate crime.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:10 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Shouldn’t the value of hate behind a crime be a factor in sentencing, and not a separate crime?
The burden of proof is easier for sentencing than for conviction.
The burden of proof is easier for sentencing than for conviction.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:11 pm to Salviati
I already told you they were selecting them specifically for the fact they were white (their race) and women. Two protected classes.
Here is the AI recap of it.
These incidents would check every box for a "hate crime"...yet, you guessed it(!) none were prosecuted as hate crimes. Which goes back to my whole point about people wanting these laws really just wanting two-tiered justice, and these laws not being applied with the same vigor when certain people are committing the crimes.
Here is the AI recap of it.
quote:
In 2022, the Lakeview and Lincoln Park neighborhoods experienced a significant surge in violent crime, including a series of armed robberies and at least one high-profile, violent, daylight robbery. Data from 2022 indicated that robberies in the police district covering these areas had increased by 48% over the previous year, with overall crime up by 66%.
Daylight Robberies in Lakeview (2022)
Violent Daylight Incident: In September 2022, a 45-year-old woman was attacked and robbed by four individuals around 3 p.m. in the 2900 block of North Seeley, a crime captured on Ring video.
Broad Daytime Trend: Residents reported feeling unsafe due to robberies occurring during the day, specifically noting incidents happening while children were coming home from school.
Armed Robbery Spree: In late 2022, Lakeview, Lincoln Park, and Wrigleyville were targeted by a group of armed individuals, with several incidents occurring in quick succession.
These incidents would check every box for a "hate crime"...yet, you guessed it(!) none were prosecuted as hate crimes. Which goes back to my whole point about people wanting these laws really just wanting two-tiered justice, and these laws not being applied with the same vigor when certain people are committing the crimes.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:15 pm to SallysHuman
quote:HOLY shite!
So... punishing a criminal harsher because of how other criminally minded people may potentially act in the future?
Sounds good, doesn’t work. Actually, doesn’t even sound good.
That's the whole point of difference punishments for different crimes.
From the Hammurabi Code to the present.
Deterrence is one of the most important aspects of any criminal code.
No one is dumb enough to think that society does not punish a criminal harsher because of how other criminally minded people may potentially act in the future.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:18 pm to Salviati
quote:
From the Hammurabi Code to the present.
Deterrence is one of the most important aspects of any criminal code.
So just make the penalty harsher for anyone who commits said crime(s). Seems like the easy solve, no? If deterrence is what we're really going for.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:21 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:First, this assumes the punishment for beating up a person was intentionally set and kept low. That is not remotely true.
As I said early in this thread, if the intent of punishment is to deter the commission of these crimes, why not just make the punishment for that crime the more harsh version for everyone?
Example: Beating someone up is a year in prison, they want the hate crime version to be 2 years in prison. Solution: make the crime for beating someone (anyone) up 2 years in prison.
The reason they don't is precisely because those pushing these ridiculous measures WANT a two tiered justice system.
Second, why make different punishments for different levels of theft? Why not make all theft punishable with a maximum sentence, life in prison? Why have different levels of punishment for simple theft, theft, robbery, burglary, and armed robbery?
Why have we had different levels of punishment for different crimes for millenia?
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:21 pm to Salviati
quote:
HOLY shite! That's the whole point of difference punishments for different crimes.
Different crimes or different characteristics?
Holy shite is right- you’re conflating.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:22 pm to SallysHuman
quote:Good. You agree that separation preceded the enactment of hate crimes.
Voluntary segregation.
Thank you.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:23 pm to Salviati
quote:
Good. You agree that separation preceded the enactment of hate crimes. Thank you.
Are you functionally retarded?
WHAT separation preceded “hate crimes”?
There is no separation.
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:25 pm to Salviati
quote:
Why have we had different levels of punishment for different crimes for millenia?
Holy shite you're dense.
You're literally saying it yourself. DIFFERENT PUNISHMENT for DIFFERENT CRIMES.
DIFFERENT.
You are want different punishment for the SAME crimes.
Please tell me you see the...difference...and are not being intentionally obtuse.
This post was edited on 4/29/26 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/29/26 at 12:32 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:You also typed that they:
I already told you they were selecting them specifically for the fact they were white (their race) and women. Two protected classes.
quote:Those are your words. Not mine.
took the train up to the wealthier north side neighborhoods
Then you post:
quote:One would assume that those neighborhoods were targeted for wealth and not because they were white. Surely there are white people closer to where the assailants live.
In late 2022, Lakeview, Lincoln Park, and Wrigleyville were targeted by a group of armed individuals, with several incidents occurring in quick succession.
Again, it does not matter whether a victim had a listed characteristic. What matters is the prosecutor can prove that the victim was selected because of the listed characteristic.
Any prosecutor would have a difficult time convincing a jury of twelve people that the victims in Lakeview and Lincoln Park neighborhoods were targeted because of race and not becuase of wealth.
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