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re: Somebody please explain Landry's "school choice" plan to me like I'm 5.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:30 pm to Midtiger farm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:30 pm to Midtiger farm
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You want to keep your kid in public school? cool here is $5k to save towards their college tuition or to by books or whatever else
Pretty sure that’s not how that works.
You pick the school, the govt sends the money to that school.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:31 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I'd imagine that the families that take advantage of this program will not be the poors but the middle class because the amounts they are funding per family is still not enough to cover full tuition. The families will still have to pony up some cash on there own.
Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. I guess it depends on the amount being received. When I searched Louisiana private school tuitions online, it said the below.
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The private school with the lowest tuition cost is St. Mary's Assumption School, with a tuition of $2,365.
So while $5k may not cover tuition at many (any?) schools in BR, it appears it would in other parts of the state. And if some families are getting $7500 or more, it may cover it.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:32 pm to Slippy
So no more split then?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:35 pm to thejuiceisloose
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If the sales tax is not renewed that will mean about a $400 million reduction to the state treasury. Not sure how this will be paid for
Y'all got anymore of that one-time money laying around?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:35 pm to Shexter
The older I get and the more time I spend working with government staffers, the more I question initiatives like this, no matter what side they're coming from.
Elected officials and their advisors know a little about everything. Someone with an agenda will put a bug in their ear, and if it makes sense to them and agrees with their overall political position, they'll run with it. As long as it makes sense to them in theory (and/or will financially benefit one of their supporters), they tell their staff to make it happen and then they move onto the next issue. The staff then send out talking points to the whole team and become responsible for getting approval from the necessary governing bodies. Once that's done, they toss it on the plate of a bureaucrat to implement.
There is never much forethought to 5 or 10 years down the road or what the actual endgame will be. And they never account for the biggest variable, the people who are the end users or beneficiaries of whatever it is that they're pushing out. You can set up system, but you cannnot control or accurately predict how people will use or abuse that system.
It's all about the elected official naming and pushing out a program that their communications team will frame as a win so it can be added to their resume for the next election.
Elected officials and their advisors know a little about everything. Someone with an agenda will put a bug in their ear, and if it makes sense to them and agrees with their overall political position, they'll run with it. As long as it makes sense to them in theory (and/or will financially benefit one of their supporters), they tell their staff to make it happen and then they move onto the next issue. The staff then send out talking points to the whole team and become responsible for getting approval from the necessary governing bodies. Once that's done, they toss it on the plate of a bureaucrat to implement.
There is never much forethought to 5 or 10 years down the road or what the actual endgame will be. And they never account for the biggest variable, the people who are the end users or beneficiaries of whatever it is that they're pushing out. You can set up system, but you cannnot control or accurately predict how people will use or abuse that system.
It's all about the elected official naming and pushing out a program that their communications team will frame as a win so it can be added to their resume for the next election.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:36 pm to Midtiger farm
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every family benefits from it. You want to keep your kid in public school? cool here is $5k to save towards their college tuition or to by books or whatever else
I'm fairly certain that if the kid remains in public school then the public school gets the money.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:36 pm to Midtiger farm
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every family benefits from it. You want to keep your kid in public school? cool here is $5k to save towards their college tuition or to by books or whatever else
You don’t benefit if you send your kids to public school.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:36 pm to Slippy
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Somebody please explain Landry's "school choice" plan to me like I'm 5.
I think it's basically gonna go like this:
1. Public school systems in any marginally large sized city in Louisiana are absolutely fricked.
2. People have to send their kids to private school and pay tuition out the a-hole unless you want to just watch them get their asses beat on WorldStar videos on twitter.
3. We elect bad politicians who don't know what their doing, but know how to chase votes. So they come up with pie-in-the-sky plans that can't really be funded worth a shite for any moderate amount of time.
4. This bill will pass because private school parents are like "Finally, I can stop feeling like I'm being fleeced, paying taxes for a terrible public school system I don't use..."
5. Private schools will double their tuition costs overnight.
6. Private school parents will be like "MOTHERfrickER!!!"
7. The state will end up not being able to fund the plan for more than a few years because we're broke and the legislature is inept.
8. The program will whither and die, and be replaced by something shittier because we've now robbed peter to pay paul.
9. The funds will dry up.
10. Private schools will never go back to previous tuition levels.
11. I will hopefully have left Louisiana decades from whenever this point occurs.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:37 pm to GeauxldMember
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The citizens of Louisiana continue to elect shitty officials into office
Do you recall who the other candidates were for Governor ? Who did you vote for ? If you no longer reside in LA, who would you have voted for ?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:40 pm to ILurkThereforeIAm
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There is never much forethought to 5 or 10 years down the road or what the actual endgame will be.
Yep. I work in consulting in the world of the federal school meal programs, and a few states have passed what is called Universal Meals where all students in all schools operating the program are fed completely free of charge.
CA already admitted they only had the surplus funds to do this for 2-3 years.
Now, families have gone several years (between Covid waivers and then Universal Meals going into effect) without paying for school food and will never ever go back to paying it again.
So if they aren't able to secure funding to continue Universal Meals and schools have to go back to charging families that don't qualify for free meals, the schools will absolutely suffer having to cover the cost themselves.
Why they wouldn't think of this ahead of time is beyond me.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:40 pm to Got Blaze
Wonder how many laws that don’t apply to private now will apply once they dip into public funding. There is a reason it costs so much to educate in the public realm and private are more adaptive
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:40 pm to Slippy
It's funneling public tax money into private schools.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:42 pm to tigerfoot
Just give me a tax credit. This seems like it will be a mess.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:42 pm to nicholastiger
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how many spots do they think the private schools will open up? the good private schools are turning people away
Private schools will spring up like mushrooms under this plan. Most of them will be for shite.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:44 pm to Giantkiller
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Private schools will double their tuition costs overnight.
I may be naive here but why is this a guaranteed thing? I'd imagine the costs going up some but double? Who would get all this extra tuition? certainly not the teachers. I just don't see why a school would outprice a large number of their students without it benefitting someone.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:44 pm to Slippy
$500 + million. Same plan putting AZ into bankruptcy.
Run from the problem and spend taxpayer $ that we don’t have.
Run from the problem and spend taxpayer $ that we don’t have.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:47 pm to ILurkThereforeIAm
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Elected officials and their advisors know a little about everything.
Legislators and their hangers on in this state are almost without exception dumb as a box of rocks, and have the personal morals of alley cats. Some of them are probably reading this thread and I hope they recognize themselves in the above statement, although I doubt they have the self awareness to do so.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:50 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I was thinking the same thing.
Why would prices go up?
If they do that then budgets go up, and no school will set a budget to a program that isn't tried and true.
Why would prices go up?
If they do that then budgets go up, and no school will set a budget to a program that isn't tried and true.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:53 pm to Slippy
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Somebody please explain Landry's "school choice" plan to me like I'm 5.by SlippyEvery kid in Louisiana now gets private school tuition paid for by the state, regardless of family income? And this will cost the state $250 million by the third year? Surely you cannot be serious.
You get what you voted for
Posted on 4/8/24 at 4:56 pm to Jim Rockford
Yep. There will be a run on creating private schools to vacuum up this money. The only benefit they may have over current public schools is they will be able to reject or simply not admit problem students. (Honestly, if public schools had a good way to deal with problem students, they would see improvements overnight.)
Quality existing private schools will either become more selective or expand their facilities. Probably a combination of the two. But they are not going to be doubling or tripling because their model can't be quickly scaled up. It can be done, but would take years.
Honestly, I wish this was structured as a non-refundable tax credit. Or even better, simply offer a refundable property tax credit for parents who send their children to private schools. So, for example, if I pay $4000 in property taxes and send my kid to St. Joseph's paying $13k/year, I get to offset my state taxes by $4k
Quality existing private schools will either become more selective or expand their facilities. Probably a combination of the two. But they are not going to be doubling or tripling because their model can't be quickly scaled up. It can be done, but would take years.
Honestly, I wish this was structured as a non-refundable tax credit. Or even better, simply offer a refundable property tax credit for parents who send their children to private schools. So, for example, if I pay $4000 in property taxes and send my kid to St. Joseph's paying $13k/year, I get to offset my state taxes by $4k
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