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re: Small Alabama town draws drivers into “legal black hole.”

Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:22 am to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99174 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:22 am to
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Yeah if a dark unmarked vehicle pulls me over and some dude in a generic "uniform" approaches, when I hadn't done anything obviously wrong, I would be on very high alert.


this is how you get cops shot
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112740 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:24 am to
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Don’t blame the cops


Nah
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55851 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:30 am to
i have such little respect for these small town, speed trap police departments... from the top to the bottom.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 8:30 am
Posted by ewilliams000
Castor Springs
Member since Feb 2012
1957 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:41 am to
Georgetown, Pollock, Dodson La. In Georgetown, beware. Speed trap at overpass, there's another one on the other side.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3156 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:42 am to
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This is why I wish conservative libertarians would have gotten on board with “defund the police.” They’re a vestigial enemy of the people.


No, the police are not the enemy. Civil Forfeiture and ticketing-as-funding is the enemy. Make these two things illegal and A lot will improve.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42942 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:52 am to
I live in one of the towns that make up the northern suburbs of Birmingham. Occasionally I will see a Brookside police SUV. The ones I've seen I guess are technically marked, however the SUV is a dark gray and the lettering that marks the car is nearly the same dark gray, thus it blends in and can really only be seen if you're up close and/or the light hits the lettering a certain way.

There is absolutely no reason Brookside Police should be writing the number of tickets they do or bringing in the revenue that they do.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:55 am to
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Unfortunately for every one good law officer there is 3 bad ones. Same goes for the leadership.



This comes from the top...not some sort of bad cop...they are training them to do this.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42942 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:56 am to
Another important point to this story: Brookside really isn't allowed to write speeding tickets for speeders on I-22 under Alabama law, as only police in cities with 19,000 or more residents can do so. I'm not sure if they have done so, but it wouldn't surprise me if they've tried because most people don't know that law. They can write other traffic citations on I-22, though.

So if you're ever in Alabama and get a ticket for speeding on an interstate from a city police officer, I recommend checking to see what the population of their city is.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 10:00 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19313 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:08 am to
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They can write other traffic citations on I-22, though.

That's the thing, though. They use "speeding" or other tickytack BS as their probable cause and naive citizens allow them to search their vehicles.

I think it was this article, but it could have been another, that said they were arresting people for possession of a joint and giving them a charge for possession of marijuana and a paraphernalia charge on top of that for the rolling paper it was rolled up in lol. Even charging one guy for a jar that "once possibly contained marijuana" and tray that "may have been used for rolling joints". That's just fricked up.

I get it, reefer is illegal in AL, but that's just ridiculous. Even the sheriff said he's never seen things charged the way they do things there.
Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:20 am to
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Brookside really isn't allowed to write speeding tickets for speeders on I-22 under Alabama law,

They can when the state troopers contract them. Hoover PD regularly patrols I-22 and also I-20 west of Leeds. I've also seen Graysville and Adamsville on I-22, but at least they have jurisdiction there, Hoover sure as hell doesnt.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18301 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:32 am to
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Hoover PD regularly patrols I-22 and also I-20 west of Leeds. I've also seen Graysville and Adamsville on I-22, but at least they have jurisdiction there, Hoover sure as hell doesnt.


Hoover does fall into the category of this though:

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police in cities with 19,000 or more residents can do so


They are, like you said, contracted by the State to be there. Brookside does NOT have jurisdiction on the Interstates, but they will 100% find a loophole to get people never the less.

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So unfortunately I live close enough to Brookside that my online taxes actually go to this mafia because of the "2 mile buffer rule" - talk about being furious that a part of my taxes have funded this racked, luckily I never go into Brookside, and now I know to steer clear of it forever.
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1914 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:06 am to
Checking Google Maps shows that Brookside doesn't have a major highway going through it. Kind of makes you wonder how they pull it off.

Port Barre at least has US-190.

Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36636 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:08 am to
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Yeah if a dark unmarked vehicle pulls me over and some dude in a generic "uniform" approaches, when I hadn't done anything obviously wrong, I would be on very high alert.


quote:



this is how you get cops shot


I feel like it's not an unreasonable expectation to make the people that are allowed to ticket, detain, arrest, and kill you to wear clearly identifiable uniforms and have badging and lighting on their vehicles that clearly identifies them as law enforcement, and not just somebody that bought a black Tahoe and put some cool flashy led's on it.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
36636 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:11 am to
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No, the police are not the enemy. Civil Forfeiture and ticketing-as-funding is the enemy. Make these two things illegal and A lot will improve.


Police have an incredible amount of leeway in their jobs. It just looks good on their record when they sieze your vehicle because you were carrying a couple thousand dollars in cash over state lines.
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
2007 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:31 am to
Central and North Louisiana are littered with these crooked arse Mayberry mfers.

The ironic part is if you know someone with a little clout in politics anywhere in the state they can make any ticket disappear rather quickly.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
18061 posts
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:26 pm to
Chief of police quit today... sad update to this situation
Obligatory "who?" when referencing their chief...
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42942 posts
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:31 pm to
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“This will confirm that earlier today, Mike Jones resigned as the Police Chief for the Town of Brookside,” the statement from town clerk Debbie Keedy read. “Since this involves a personnel matter, the Town has no further comment.”

I'm wondering if they actually meant that he resigned due to "personnel" issues or if they meant to say "personal" issues. I mean, why couldn't the town comment on issues with personnel at the town's police department?
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 4:32 pm
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
35649 posts
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:34 pm to
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The ironic part is if you know someone with a little clout in politics anywhere in the state they can make any ticket disappear rather quickly.



Not ironic so much as by design. Rules for thee...
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:34 pm to
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I'm wondering if they actually meant that he resigned due to "personnel" issues or if they meant to say "personal" issues. I mean, why couldn't the town comment on issues with personnel at the town's police department?


“Personnel matters” regarding public officials are a matter of public knowledge and open inquiry according to Alabama state law.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42942 posts
Posted on 1/25/22 at 4:36 pm to
I mean, I may just be asking a question where there isn't one and they did mean "personnel," but it just seemed kind of weird.
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