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re: Shooting at Orlando gay club: 50 Dead, 53 Injured, Shooter is Radical Muslim
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:57 am to ihometiger
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:57 am to ihometiger
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Pull this in New Orleans and it would be hours before cops even show up
Pull this in New Orleans and Jamal from Hollygrove is going to shoot back.
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:57 am to dnm3305
the part that is infuriating to listen to from the media is that they think gun control prevents this, as if someone tied to a terrorist group wouldn't be able to find an automatic weapon with proper gun control in place in our states
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:57 am to armytiger16
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You might not be aware but gay people are not all feminine. I knew some pretty tough gay men and women in the army. Gay guys are not always like the tropes in tv sitcoms dude. It's still a cross section of the population.
Ok, youre right. But how is this even relevant to what he was saying. It's a tangent point that's not even applicable.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:58 am to Ford Frenzy
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the media is that they think gun control prevents this,
This is what is the downfall of this country. We focus on the political correct issue that fits the narrative, instead of the real issue.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:59 am to Redbone
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I just got mine AND those "gun free zone" signs are simply a request for me.
Yeah. I get that sense too. "C" stands for concealed. And in those places if I pulled my weapon it better be a "no court would convict me" situation.
Bars though it would get sketchy. The ankle holster I would prefer would be less than useless with my standard cargo shorts and sandals.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:59 am to dnm3305
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Oh yea, sure guy. Sure you do. MORE panic than some a-hole taking people out at will right? If there is anything that'll make my panic meter go fricking crazy, it's a good Samaritan returning fire with a bad guy. Crazy muslim with automatic weapons mowing people down? Im only in a semi-panicked state. Citizen returning fire with a 6 round max capacity subcompact 9mm? I will LOSE MY frickING MIND!!!!
Oh yeah, because you're clearly going to be in the state of mind to recognize that other guy who pulled out a gun is returning fire back at the guy who is already spraying bullets. My and I suspect most people's instinct when some other random guy pulls a gun out is that he's either the shooter or there's 2 or more people carrying out the attack. You are going to be in such a panic that you're probably not going to know exactly where the shooter is or how many there are.
Your thought isn't going to be "Here's the Good Samaritan pulling out a gun at a nightclub to save us all". You would in all likelihood just get more people killed with them not knowing which direction to go in anymore.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:05 am to OMLandshark
I keep thinking about how absolutely shitfaced most of these people probably were at 2 AM in a night club. I’d be so dead. If I’m at a bar at 2 AM I’m seeing double.
I’m sure a bunch of the people don’t remember much. Heard one dude on CNN say “It’s all a bit fuzzy, we were partying”.
I’m sure a bunch of the people don’t remember much. Heard one dude on CNN say “It’s all a bit fuzzy, we were partying”.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:11 am to OMLandshark
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You would in all likelihood just get more people killed with them not knowing which direction to go in anymore.
I do not understand how people like you can come to such illogical conclusions. If I told you that a shooting happened at a public place and that your wife was going to be at, youre telling me you would actually RATHER not have someone return fire and at least have the slightest possibly to stop the threat or SLOW the threat than you would for no one to return fire and just let this guy walk around shooting people!? That is completely absurd.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:14 am to OMLandshark
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Oh yeah, because you're clearly going to be in the state of mind to recognize that other guy who pulled out a gun is returning fire back at the guy who is already spraying bullets. My and I suspect most people's instinct when some other random guy pulls a gun out is that he's either the shooter or there's 2 or more people carrying out the attack. You are going to be in such a panic that you're probably not going to know exactly where the shooter is or how many there are.
Your thought isn't going to be "Here's the Good Samaritan pulling out a gun at a nightclub to save us all". You would in all likelihood just get more people killed with them not knowing which direction to go in anymore.
I would 100% want someone to return fire in this case. I don't think I'd know what was going on either way drunk at 2 AM, so I'd be equally disoriented and running for my life.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:15 am to TheCaterpillar
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I keep thinking about how absolutely shitfaced most of these people probably were at 2 AM in a night club. I’d be so dead. If I’m at a bar at 2 AM I’m seeing double.
Even at 20/21 I had trouble staying at bogie's or where ever until 2 unless I was really cutting up. Besides the staff I doubt anyone was close to sober.
I'd imagine there were a few people that woke up in the er without a clue on how they got there.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:15 am to Ford Frenzy
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the part that is infuriating to listen to from the media is that they think gun control prevents this, as if someone tied to a terrorist group wouldn't be able to find an automatic weapon with proper gun control in place in our states
This guy had a "Guard Card". He had extensive background checks and firearm training.
He was not an average joe civilian that easily got his hands on guns.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:15 am to TheCaterpillar
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I keep thinking about how absolutely shitfaced most of these people probably were at 2 AM in a night club. I’d be so dead. If I’m at a bar at 2 AM I’m seeing double.
I’m sure a bunch of the people don’t remember much. Heard one dude on CNN say “It’s all a bit fuzzy, we were partying”.
Yeah, let's not pretend that any of these people were in any state to use a gun. I've been listening to the interviews and this is how most of their thought processes seemed to have gone.
Second 1: "Did a light or a speaker blow out?"
Second 2: "What kind of sound effect is this?"
Second 3: "Wait this can't be happening..."
Second 4: "This isn't fricking happening, I must be imagining this..."
Second 5: "This is fricking happening"
And then instinct kicks in. Unless I could make it to the door, then I'm fricking dead. I'd be far too shitfaced to do anything else. If someone else pulls out a gun and they're anywhere close to the entrance, it's going to have me go in some other direction looking for an emergency exit. Then I'm dead.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:17 am to TheCaterpillar
What I don't understand is there is a strong correlation to those that hate cops and those that believe in strong public gun control. You absolutely can't have both?? How do you say citizens shouldn't have guns and police should be more controlled, lol I mean it's a laughable ideology.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:17 am to OMLandshark
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And then instinct kicks in. Unless I could make it to the door, then I'm fricking dead. I'd be far too shitfaced to do anything else. If someone else pulls out a gun and they're anywhere close to the entrance, it's going to have me go in some other direction looking for an emergency exit. Then I'm dead.
Ehhh your chances are much better if someone sober in there had a gun shooting back.
No one is advocating a drunk dude trying to return fire.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:20 am to kywildcatfanone
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instead of the real issue
which is?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:25 am to TJGator1215
Just out of curiosity, how much training do you think the average police officer has in the practice of firing at moving targets? How many hours of firearms training do you think the average law enforcement officer receives a year?
Anyone have an accurate answer for this?
I would almost believe that the average Concealed carrier shoots more rounds per year than the average police officer. Not sure if true or not but just my belief.
Anyone have an accurate answer for this?
I would almost believe that the average Concealed carrier shoots more rounds per year than the average police officer. Not sure if true or not but just my belief.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:25 am to kywildcatfanone
I don't know how anyone could successfully spin this from an act of terror to gun control. It will come across as disingenuous. I am not a conservative, but Obama's PC speech he gave made my blood boil.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:28 am to cas4t
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I don't know how anyone could successfully spin this from an act of terror to gun control. It will come across as disingenuous. I am not a conservative, but Obama's PC speech he gave made my blood boil.
The fact he had clearance for firearms above the normal civilian level should completely remove the gun control argument here.
Obama said something like “this serves as a reminder how easy it is for people to get guns in this country”. Well Barry, that’s not really true in this case. This guy had extensive background checks and worked for one of the largest security firms on the planet. He would be allowed to purchase and carry weapons in a lot of countries with much stricter gun laws than we have.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:33 am to xxKylexx
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:35 am to dnm3305
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Ok, youre right. But how is this even relevant to what he was saying. It's a tangent point that's not even applicable.
I responded to his question by saying not all gays are feminine. Pretty simple. Maybe he deleted the comment I quoted or you didn't read what I was responding too.
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