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re: Shooting at Orlando gay club: 50 Dead, 53 Injured, Shooter is Radical Muslim
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:41 am to TJGator1215
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:41 am to TJGator1215
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you want untrained gun owners firing at moving targets in a club? Do you guys realize playing Rambo would have gotten even more killed. There is no way to prevent terrorists attacks no matter how much power you give the government.
The other option was to cowar and wait to be executed. frick that.
Plus, most of my southern friends that had a farther that gave a shite have been training them to properly use a gun since childhood.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 7:43 am
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:48 am to dgnx6
I'm good wth everyone carrying a gun but not so sure about in a club. Sure not everyone is drinking but most are. Even at the ole hunting club, Booze and guns just dont mix.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:55 am to dgnx6
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Plus, most of my southern friends that had a farther that gave a shite have been training them to properly use a gun since childhood.
It's one thing to know how to operate a gun in the at pond shooting some duck and completely another to operate one shite faced in dark room, filled with panic and a dude firing back at you.
I wouldn't mind if bartenders/bouncers were packing though
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 7:57 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 7:56 am to dgnx6
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The other option was to cowar and wait to be executed. frick that.
Yeah. It is a simple trade off.
Lets just say this guy opens fire and 5 people get shot before someone with a gun steps in. And lets say the private citizen hit someone in the cross fire. I know it is terrible, but one or two more getting shot is a far better option than 40 more getting killed and another 40 shot because this guy has free roam of the place.
Although I will also acknowledge there would possibly be a case here and there of some a-hole pulling, but honestly someone that pulls drunk in a bar likely isn't going to be following the rules anyway and probably already carrying if it is against the law. It is a very delicate trade off. As others have said maybe folks like bartenders could be armed but I sure as shite wouldn't want that as part of my job description.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:16 am to Dire Wolf
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completely another to operate one shite faced in dark room, filled with panic and a dude firing back at you.
i dont think anyone is saying someone should be allowed to carry in a club drunk.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:17 am to Dire Wolf
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I wouldn't mind if bartenders/bouncers were packing though
Those would be the last two subsets of people I'd want packing. I'd rather take my chances with Joe Patron.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:17 am to Dire Wolf
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I wouldn't mind if bartenders/bouncers were packing though
It sounds good in theory but we would have to change the laws to reduce or eliminate culpability for the business and it's employees, because you know the first time someone dies of friendly fire the relatives will sue. Unfortunately that's just the litigious society we live in.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:18 am to oleyeller
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someone should be allowed to carry in a club drunk.
So people are just going to play police at a bar hoping for a shooting?
Like I said I am fine with staff protecting themselves. I am not lawyer so I am not going to pretend to know what goes into that
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:19 am to tylercsbn9
I'm not skimming 57 pages. Is it known what type of gun was used? I know "AR style" and a pistol. Hearing the videos it sounds semi-auto.
NVM as I type this the news states AR-15. Is this true? I just cannot wrap my head around the events and the timeline. One dude is able to hit 100+ people, 50 fatally? Was he just slaughtering hostages? There were only 300 people in the club to begin with? How do you contain a crowd that size WHILE spraying bullets?
I actually posted this to ask if this guy had an automatic weapon. That seemed possible given the number, him being trained as a security guard? I thought maybe he actually went through the paperwork and channels to own fully auto? But hearing the audio it just sounds semi auto until the police arrive and it is just a hellstorm of bullets.
Sorry shite. As a dude who never really wanted a CHL, I am reconsidering. If nothing more than having it like a safety blanket.
And as I watch the news...... Glock. Those frickers make a good product, and can't catch a break. Other companies make good products too. Glock PR Dept mandate. "Don't say a fricking thing!!!"
Sorry. That is one rambling assed post. But I just got up, and I am watching the news as I type this. I worked all day yesterday and unable to watch for the most part.
NVM as I type this the news states AR-15. Is this true? I just cannot wrap my head around the events and the timeline. One dude is able to hit 100+ people, 50 fatally? Was he just slaughtering hostages? There were only 300 people in the club to begin with? How do you contain a crowd that size WHILE spraying bullets?
I actually posted this to ask if this guy had an automatic weapon. That seemed possible given the number, him being trained as a security guard? I thought maybe he actually went through the paperwork and channels to own fully auto? But hearing the audio it just sounds semi auto until the police arrive and it is just a hellstorm of bullets.
Sorry shite. As a dude who never really wanted a CHL, I am reconsidering. If nothing more than having it like a safety blanket.
And as I watch the news...... Glock. Those frickers make a good product, and can't catch a break. Other companies make good products too. Glock PR Dept mandate. "Don't say a fricking thing!!!"
Sorry. That is one rambling assed post. But I just got up, and I am watching the news as I type this. I worked all day yesterday and unable to watch for the most part.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:25 am to dnm3305
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Let's just stand there like sheep and wait our turn.
Any solution is better than this, even drunken friendly fire
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:31 am to Old Sarge
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Any solution is better than this, even drunken friendly fire
In this extreme case/situation.
Not in the case of a couple rednecks fighting over poon at a bar. Which would have several examples if CHL carriers were everywhere in bars.
Any reports on the clubs security? Did they have a cop working security? I heard there was one and this cop exchanged gunfire? One cop though with one handgun vs. a motivated dickhead with an AR and handgun is a piss poor scenario for the cop. Was he killed?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:34 am to Old Sarge
The left in this country want us to follow the European model of bending over backwards to accommodate them even as they kill, maim, and rape innocent people, in the hopes that if we just make them feel special enough, they will change. It's like national battered women's syndrome. I hope to God it NEVER comes to that here, but you can tell that is what they're pushing.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:40 am to Crawdaddy
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I'm good wth everyone carrying a gun but not so sure about in a club. Sure not everyone is drinking but most are. Even at the ole hunting club, Booze and guns just dont mix.
The standard for security just went way up at Orlando nightclubs. I bet their liability insurance carriers make them hire multiple off duty cops. The lawsuits for negligent security against this place will be here soon.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:43 am to dgnx6
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The other option was to cowar and wait to be executed. frick that.
Or you could, you know, run. Instead all you'd do is create more panic as you pull out a gun, dispersing people even more and likely getting more people killed all because you want to play soldier.
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Plus, most of my southern friends that had a farther that gave a shite have been training them to properly use a gun since childhood.
Yeah, because hunting and shooting at a gun range has clearly prepared you and your redneck buddies to stop a massive terrorist attack in a dimly lit and loud nightclub packed to the max with drunken panicking people fleeing for their lives. You're an idiot.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:50 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, because hunting and shooting at a gun range has clearly prepared you and your redneck buddies to stop a massive terrorist attack in a dimly lit and loud nightclub packed to the max with drunken panicking people fleeing for their lives. You're an idiot.
Anything is better than nothing? You are right, people assume they are gonna stand there like Josey Wales and take him out. This is foolish, but spraying shots blindly over a bar IN THIS CASE would be better than nothing. I feel most gun owners would succumb to human nature and be backpedaling while firing. It takes a lot of balls to push forward! Especially if a gun and a way out are available.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:51 am to OMLandshark
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Instead all you'd do is create more panic as you pull out a gun
Oh yea, sure guy. Sure you do. MORE panic than some a-hole taking people out at will right? If there is anything that'll make my panic meter go fricking crazy, it's a good Samaritan returning fire with a bad guy. Crazy muslim with automatic weapons mowing people down? Im only in a semi-panicked state. Citizen returning fire with a 6 round max capacity subcompact 9mm? I will LOSE MY frickING MIND!!!!
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:52 am to LSU alum wannabe
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I'm not skimming 57 pages.
Save your time. Nothing but trolls and folks in discussions about how to fix things. The last group are as perplexed as congress is.
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As a dude who never really wanted a CHL, I am reconsidering.
I just got mine AND those "gun free zone" signs are simply a request for me.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:53 am to OMLandshark
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as thinking about this earlier.....would feminine gays revert back into masculine guys when SHTF? You'd think that would be something natural, but idk
You might not be aware but gay people are not all feminine. I knew some pretty tough gay men and women in the army. Gay guys are not always like the tropes in tv sitcoms dude. It's still a cross section of the population.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:53 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I hope to God it NEVER comes to that here, but you can tell that is what they're pushing.
After Fort Hood, Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernadino and now, Orlando, you don't think it is here? Have you seen the bending over backwards to make all of that not about Islam?
If the Mosques of this nation were raided all at once, the general public would be so shocked, I believe there would be enough momentum to amend the 1st Amendment. Again, not saying 100% of Muslims are involved in this, but far, far more than CAIR and other sympathizers would have you believe. The war isn't coming. The war is here. Our choosing to fight back doesn't change this fact.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 8:57 am to Ace Midnight
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The war isn't coming. The war is here.
It's time to advance the worldwide terdiphate and rid the planet of the Islamic plague.
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