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Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:50 am to eitek1
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how much training do you think the average police officer has in the practice of firing at moving targets?
It's probably covered in the police academy.
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How many hours of firearms training do you think the average law enforcement officer receives a year?
About 2 hours worth of practice each year the night before they have to take their yearly POST qualification
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I would almost believe that the average Concealed carrier shoots more rounds per year than the average police officer.
I'd put money on it that 50% of permit holders don't even carry 90% of the time. Even fewer practice often.
The guys that carry EVERY day DO practice often.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:51 am to widespreadpiggy
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I heard that after he was "stopped", he was allowed to pass.
He was allowed to walk past then the guard saw the gun and engaged him in a gun battle at the entrance...
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Police first encountered Mateen shortly after the initial gunfire at about 2 a.m., Mina said. An off-duty officer in uniform was working at the club and engaged Mateen in a gun battle “near one of the entrances.”
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The club had an armed guard. Not much else they should be expected to do to protect their patrons.
Crazy shite.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:58 am to Shexter
How many CC permit holder's could honestly handle being in that situation?
It's one thing to say what you would do in your mind but it's a whole different scenario being caught in that situation in real time. That was no movie and you don't just all of a sudden become John Rambo when gun fire breaks out.
Just because you have a CC permit doesn't mean that you have the experience or training to handle being in that type of situation unless you are fresh out of the military or current or ex police officers.
It's one thing to say what you would do in your mind but it's a whole different scenario being caught in that situation in real time. That was no movie and you don't just all of a sudden become John Rambo when gun fire breaks out.
Just because you have a CC permit doesn't mean that you have the experience or training to handle being in that type of situation unless you are fresh out of the military or current or ex police officers.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:03 am to YouAre8Up
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How many CC permit holder's could honestly handle being in that situation?
<1%
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:04 am to YouAre8Up
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How many CC permit holder's could honestly handle being in that situation?
I'd still run and hide as fast as I could, but I'd have my gun drawn behind a corner or in a bathroom waiting for the shooter to come to me.
Doubt I'd engage in the open.
ETA:
Otherwise what's the fricking point of having the thing...and FYI I do not carry a gun.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:08 am to YouAre8Up
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How many CC permit holder's could honestly handle being in that situation?
Less than 5%. The CC permit has become the latest fad and a false sense of security for the general public.
Mary: "Judy and her husband got their permits the other day. She can carry a gun now."
Janeth: "Well, me and Hank signed up for a class last week."
Susan: "Everyone is getting them these days. You never know when someone might attack."
Mary: "I know! I read on Facebook just last week that there was a man in the Target parking lot trying to kidnap a teenage girl. He was gonna make her a sex slave....."
Susan: "You just never know who to trust these days... Times are getting tough."
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:08 am to Salmon
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<1%
I disagree.
I'd put it in the 10-15% range. People are getting training these days 100x more than they were 10 years ago.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:10 am to Shexter
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Mary: "Judy and her husband got their permits the other day. She can carry a gun now."
Janeth: "Well, me and Hank signed up for a class last week."
Susan: "Everyone is getting them these days. You never know when someone might attack."
Mary: "I know! I read on Facebook just last week that there was a man in the Target parking lot trying to kidnap a teenage girl. He was gonna make her a sex slave....."
Susan: "You just never know who to trust these days... Times are getting tough."
:golfclap:
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:11 am to upgrayedd
w ccw <1%
w/o ccw 0%
w/o ccw 0%
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:14 am to ninthward
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“My son, Omar Mateen, was a very good boy, an educated boy, who had a child and a wife, very respectful of his parents,” he said.
And here it is...
Also left off where his ex-wife had to flee him and move to another state because he was beating her.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:16 am to TheCaterpillar
Here's the club. Entrance is where that blue convertible is parked next to the small canopy.
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So he walked past the armed guard at the entrance and immediately pulled up his gun and started firing and the guard immediately engaged. But he did get past initially.
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So he walked past the armed guard at the entrance and immediately pulled up his gun and started firing and the guard immediately engaged. But he did get past initially.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:18 am to TheCaterpillar
It sounds to me from that timeline from the Wapo article that many of those killed were taken out by the cops when they stormed the building at 5 a.m.
I'm not casting aspersions, I'm just speculating that there was much blood spilled when they went in.
I'm not casting aspersions, I'm just speculating that there was much blood spilled when they went in.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:20 am to tigerpimpbot
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It sounds to me from that timeline from the Wapo article that many of those killed were taken out by the cops when they stormed the building at 5 a.m.
I'm not casting aspersions, I'm just speculating that there was much blood spilled when they went in.
I think 90% of the people were killed in the first 10 minutes of the attack and then it appears the armed guard at the front cornered him in a bathroom with 5 or 6 hostages and that's where he remained for 3 hours.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:20 am to TheCaterpillar
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Also left off where his ex-wife had to flee him and move to another state because he was beating her.
I think beating your wife earns you pieces of flair in afghan taliban circles
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:22 am to upgrayedd
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I'd put it in the 10-15% range. People are getting training these days 100x more than they were 10 years ago.
Ummm, absolutely not. I'd go with less than 1%. Too many factors as well as an adrenaline rush that you really can't be trained for.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:24 am to OMLandshark
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Ummm, absolutely not. I'd go with less than 1%. Too many factors as well as an adrenaline rush that you really can't be trained for.
I guess it depends on your definition of successful engagement.
Do you consider saving 5 people successful or do you only consider killing the perp to be successful?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:25 am to TheCaterpillar
I havent seen this anywhere and I know its been mentioned, but has it been released if his gun was full auto? or did he just pull the trigger a shite ton of times? assuming he had 50 rd mags, he had to reload at least once, which takes about 2 or 3 seconds
just curious if the full vs semi auto has been released yet
just curious if the full vs semi auto has been released yet
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:31 am to Theboot32
Don't think, but the club was crammed shoulder to shoulder like a sardine can, it was dark, very loud, and everyone was drunk.
He could've killed 20 with a blindfold on.
He could've killed 20 with a blindfold on.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 11:33 am to upgrayedd
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Do you consider saving 5 people successful or do you only consider killing the perp to be successful?
The factors I'm putting in are mostly innocents caught in your crossfire. It would be very difficult not to do so. You could feasibly lead to more deaths than it helps.
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