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re: Seeing a lot of “many of the hospitalized are people who were vaccinated” posts on here
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 7/19/21 at 9:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Bottom line is that if you’re fully vaxxed the odds of ending up hospitalized with covid are minuscule; negligible if you’re relatively healthy.
If you’re not… we’ll I’m going to have to invoke one of the OT’s favorite sayings about unintelligent games yielding unintelligent prizes.
If you’re not… we’ll I’m going to have to invoke one of the OT’s favorite sayings about unintelligent games yielding unintelligent prizes.
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Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:31 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:the data shows you are wrong.
Bottom line is that if you’re fully vaxxed the odds of ending up hospitalized with covid are minuscule; negligible if you’re relatively healthy.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:43 pm to CarRamrod
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the data shows you are wrong.
The frick it does.
You can already start to see the effect of the vaccine in the data. We have similar case numbers in America now as we did in October of last year, with a quarter of the hospitalizations. The UK data I linked to earlier in the thread shows the exact same sort of trends in the UK. That's considering the decent fraction of unvaccinated out there as well.
Posted on 7/19/21 at 10:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Let's dig deeper into your stats professors stats.
Of the 50 unvaccinated, the 5 that were hospitalized were above the age of 70. And exactly zero were hospitalized due to the vaccine.
Of the 950 that were vaccinated, the 10 that were hospitalized were between the ages of 30 and 50 and were hospitalized due to the vaccine.
Those numbers are as accurate as the ones from your example.
Of the 50 unvaccinated, the 5 that were hospitalized were above the age of 70. And exactly zero were hospitalized due to the vaccine.
Of the 950 that were vaccinated, the 10 that were hospitalized were between the ages of 30 and 50 and were hospitalized due to the vaccine.
Those numbers are as accurate as the ones from your example.
This post was edited on 7/19/21 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 7/20/21 at 7:47 am to DabosDynasty
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so it was sold as 94% efficacy in preventing contracting the virus. It was unrealistic from the start and was never presented with the possibility of mutations in the virus which would reduce efficacy
Of course mutations would work their way around a vaccine. But the vaccine is still effective against them; just not 94%. It might be 65% effective. That's still fairly good. Also, mutations typically are less virulent, which is exactly what we are seeing from Delta.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 7:49 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
lol frick off op this shite is tiresome
Posted on 7/20/21 at 8:00 am to Duke
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The frick it does.
Is there a noticeable increase in hospitalizations or deaths for individuals without the vaccine, in the 30-39 age range and have no underlying health problems, nor obese, doesn’t have diabetes, hyper tension, cancer, etc?
and if so, can i get a link?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 8:04 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
So not 99%?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
You really think math is gonna convince anti-vaxxers? lol
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:38 am to Dan_LSU
Certainly not his “math”.
Again, if half of the US is vaccinated, and half of hospitalizations are vaccinated, then the vaccine isn’t nearly as effective as they claim. You can spin the stats however you want, but you would be wrong. You can claim that more elderly have received the vaccine, but again, that’s not what was presented to us. They didn’t say it was 94% effective in only young healthy people.
Again, if half of the US is vaccinated, and half of hospitalizations are vaccinated, then the vaccine isn’t nearly as effective as they claim. You can spin the stats however you want, but you would be wrong. You can claim that more elderly have received the vaccine, but again, that’s not what was presented to us. They didn’t say it was 94% effective in only young healthy people.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:39 am to Klark Kent
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Is there a noticeable increase in hospitalizations or deaths for individuals without the vaccine, in the 30-39 age range and have no underlying health problems, nor obese, doesn’t have diabetes, hyper tension, cancer, etc?
Is that the standard? Also weird standard for vaccine effectiveness.
I'm just looking at the fact we have a new variant, shown by research to be quite a bit more contagious. Yet, while increasing, case counts aren't at winter peaks yet. Additionally, looking at times with similar case counts to the past in multiple countries, you see far fewer hospitalizations and deaths.
It's obvious how effective the vaccines are.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:43 am to Dandaman
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What makes you think 95% of people are vaccinated?
It’s demonstrating that even taken to the most extreme levels one could point at the same issue if they do not actually understand math.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:44 am to Duke
Yeah, and I honestly do trust your analysis of data. You seem to post fair summaries of what you read through data, with no or minimum personal opinion spin. And yes, I agree Delta seems more contagious. But for me personally, i don’t think that tips the scale for me. I guess that was a weird way of posting that.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:49 am to Stevo
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When the FDA approves of the vaccine(s), will be interesting to see how the anti vaxxers spin it then.
" something something something GEORGE SOROS something "
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:51 am to NoSaint
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’s demonstrating that even taken to the most extreme levels one could point at the same issue if they do not actually understand math.
No, it’s a gotcha attempt by using extreme numbers because if he used the actual numbers for vaccination rates and hospitalization rates his point is completely destroyed
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:53 am to Klark Kent
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me personally, i don’t think that tips the scale for me.
I don't personally understand, but for some reason looking at the data and coming to a different conclusion bothers me a lot less than all the shite stats being thrown around.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 10:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
People who think the vaccine guarantees no infection are stupid.
People who think the vaccine makes it worse are also stupid.
The vaccine helps, that's absolutely clear, but COVID is never going away.
People who think the vaccine makes it worse are also stupid.
The vaccine helps, that's absolutely clear, but COVID is never going away.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:53 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
This "professor" would be an ideal example of why kids learn jack shite for critical thinking in school, if this was actually done by a professor of anything.
They massively weighted the vaccinated pool to achieve 90% efficiency (still below the 95% from the studies). You can't take a hypothetical pool of people, then apply a real world result (whether it's 1/3rd hospitalized or 2/3rd hospitalized are vaccinated) and achieve a realistic result.
They massively weighted the vaccinated pool to achieve 90% efficiency (still below the 95% from the studies). You can't take a hypothetical pool of people, then apply a real world result (whether it's 1/3rd hospitalized or 2/3rd hospitalized are vaccinated) and achieve a realistic result.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
100% of the people in the hospital in 2020 were unvaccinated
Posted on 7/20/21 at 11:57 am to Deactived
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like multiple people post on the account its so all over the place
Or he just has Dissociative Identity Disorder.
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