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re: SBA loans to churches

Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:45 am to
Posted by Mud_Till_May
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:45 am to
SBA loans are not grants. If a porn shop can get an SBA loan so should a church.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:46 am to
A porn shop is a business and pays taxes.

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:47 am to
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A porn shop is a business and pays taxes.
True, but if this is offered to other nonprofits, it should be offered to religious institutions.

They should prohibit all nonprofits from applying if the determining factor is “paying taxes”, and it isn’t as if Scruffy is opposed to that.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 10:49 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:48 am to
Tons of non paying citizens are receiving stimulus monies.

Why should church be held to different standard?

Lots of churches still have expenses and leases and possible employees on staff etc.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:48 am to
I agree with Scruffy
Posted by Picayuner
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:51 am to
You know why the churches are getting it. The people who go to church vote so there's a certain delegation that constantly needs victimhood incoming dollars for votes. Gots to pay for the vote even though the vote is 100% guarantee for one party. Mo money mo money mo money
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:52 am to
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Lots of churches still have expenses and leases and possible employees on staff etc.


This is the thing though, you don't NEED all these things to practice religion. I will say that if other non profits can get it, I understand, but this is why religion is criticized so much.
Posted by SM6
Georgia
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:56 am to
Small BUSINESS Administration loans?

To hell with that, they should pay taxes then.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:57 am to
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Why in the frick would they eligible? Are they saying they are business? If so, they need to start paying taxes ASAP.


If churches are in that boat, then why would any other nonprofit, such as United Way, Habitat for Humanity, etc. be allowed to apply. These nonprofits do not pay taxes either. Why are churches singled out because they don't taxes when these others are allowed.

Yes, churches do employee people, administrative staff, janitorial staff, preachers, etc.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 11:05 am
Posted by transcend
Austin, TX
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:57 am to
Jesus dont pay taxes, so Jesus shouldn't get a bailout
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9552 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:58 am to
How many people receiving $1,200 don't pay taxes...
Posted by Parmen
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:58 am to
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The SBA announced that churches are eligible for stimulus money.


I’m in favor
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:59 am to
Well if the SBA is giving them loans, then they are saying churches are in fact a "business" so they should be taxed.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:00 am to
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Well if the SBA is giving them loans, then they are saying churches are in fact a "business" so they should be taxed.


Does the same apply for other nonprofits? Should all nonprofits that employee people pay taxes. Your logic is extremely flawed.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:05 am to
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They don't pay taxes to begin with.


Churches do pay taxes. Just not at the same comparatively to a private enterprise of the same size.
Posted by PearlJam
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:05 am to
Churches are being treated the same as other 501c entities.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 11:06 am
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20796 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:06 am to
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Does the same apply for other nonprofits? Should all nonprofits that employee people pay taxes. Your logic is extremely flawed.



Small BUSINESS association. Don't act like these mega-churches are not "for profit" with millionaire clergy flying around in private jets living in multi-million dollar mansions.
Posted by BROpaneTANK
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
3123 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:06 am to
I’ve seen arguments that makes sense but at the end of the day it all crumbles when you take into account the way Churches bend “separation of church and state” to their advantage in basically any other scenario.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 11:07 am
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
9552 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:07 am to
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Churches do pay taxes. Just not at the same comparatively to a private enterprise of the same size.


One thing that most people on this board don't realize is the purpose of the PPP loan is keep people on payroll. So the PPP is calculated by payroll expenses, such healthcare, benefits, salaries and PAYROLL TAXES.

All nonprofits including churches have to pay payroll taxes for their employees.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78048 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 11:07 am to
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Small BUSINESS association. Don't act like these mega-churches are not "for profit" with millionaire clergy flying around in private jets living in multi-million dollar mansions.
That isn’t the point.

If they are offering it to other non-profits, then how can you lock out religious institutions?

There is no way to justify that.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 11:09 am
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