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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:38 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:38 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:there is some truth to this. the eastern part of ukraine absolutely views themselves as an extension of russia and would be ok if not outright supports being annexed. the western half 100% views themselves as europeans and wants ties to the west and to be an active member of the eurozone
A better description of Ukraine is that it is like the old Czechoslovakia, two historically separate but linguistically-similar countries jammed together by deranged 20th-century diplomats.
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:43 pm to DabosDynasty
If there’s anyone I trust to make the right moves, it’s Brandon.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 7:07 am to jimbeam
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TAIPEI, Jan 23 (Reuters) - Taiwan on Sunday reported the largest incursion since October by China's air force in its air defence zone, with the island's defence ministry saying Taiwanese fighters scrambled to warn away 39 aircraft in the latest uptick in tensions.
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The latest Chinese mission included 34 fighters plus four electronic warfare aircraft and a single bomber, the Taiwan ministry said.
Now China ramping back up testing Taiwan. While I don’t think singular action in Ukraine or Taiwan is going to start WWIII, I do worry coordinated action in each and what else it may encourage others to do around the world, probably Middle East, as they watch inaction presently will do. Not an advocate for military action on our part for either, just putting it out there. Knew this would be coming after Kabul.
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:19 am to LSUneaux
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:28 am to UndercoverBryologist
Let’s fricking go!
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:34 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Hot take: It’s none of our business. Ukraine isn’t NATO (Article 5 doesn’t apply) and we are not the world’s police force.
hot take and a correct take. I have no fricking clue why we care about Ukraine. Let Europe handle their own business and stop spending billions to beef up Ukraine’s Defense.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:40 am to DabosDynasty
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2. I guess you just ignore arming ISIS and creating the vacuum for them to wreak havoc only to have to fight them ourselves later between Obama and Trump.
It was between Bush jr and osama...I mean obama. Don’t lump Trump into that mess. He did more to end that goat rope than anyone that preceded him. He saved lives in doing so.
Russia isn’t our “enemy”. Ukraine isn’t our ally. If Russia invades, so be it. It wouldn’t be worth one single drop of American blood or one once of our treasure (not that we have any treasure left). The MIC will find a way to get us involved, sadly.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:51 am to LSUneaux
If Russia is going to do something, they will do it in the next couple of weeks. The Spring Rasputitsa will be coming which will make offensive operations almost impossible in some areas. Right now they probably have 8-10, maybe 12 weeks. So they don’t have much time to wait around.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:53 am to LSUneaux
I gotta be honest, this whole Russia/Ukraine thing feels very manufactured. I'm not saying it's not going to happen. It just seems like it's choreographed and being slow-walked to make it seem more plausible and build tension, but ultimately comes off as fake and rehearsed.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:59 am to squid_hunt
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I gotta be honest, this whole Russia/Ukraine thing feels very manufactured.
The only thing that’s manufactured about it is that now Putin feels confident he can move into Ukraine without having to worry about the West getting involved. Putin has stated openly on multiple occasions that he has a goal of rebuilding Russia back into the empire it owned under the Czars and the Soviet Union, including annexation of Ukraine which was under Russian control for centuries until the collapse of the Soviet Union.
What’s given Putin the sense that the time is right is the weakness the Biden administration has demonstrated on the world stage is there for all to see. History shows when the US shows weakness, things like this happen.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:00 am to Darth_Vader
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History shows when the US shows weakness, things like this happen.
Outside of sanctions, what would you want the US to do?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:02 am to Darth_Vader
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What’s given Putin the sense that the time is right is the weakness the Biden administration has demonstrated on the world stage is there for all to see. History shows when the US shows weakness, things like this happen.
I understand that's typically what happens. What's curious to me is the normal bad actors are not making headlines, just Putin. The problem is that the media hype here in the U.S. isn't coming across as legitimate. It's shrill and tone deaf.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:03 am to DabosDynasty
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Now China ramping back up testing Taiwan. While I don’t think singular action in Ukraine or Taiwan is going to start WWIII, I do worry coordinated action in each and what else it may encourage others to do around the world, probably Middle East, as they watch inaction presently will do. Not an advocate for military action on our part for either, just putting it out there. Knew this would be coming after Kabul.
who gives a frick, if either of these countries cared they would have been ramping up spending on defense.
taiwan for examples only budgets 3% to defense....not a lot but ok sure. Only problem is for 5 years straight they have failed to even meet that spending obligation.
if they dont fricking care, why should I as the average american. Sorry not a cause im willing to send my kids to die over.
russia/ukraine is a european problem. let them handle that. they created it by not saying that ukraine cant join nato. so frick em.
again if the europeans cared as much as they like to act like, they would have been spending on defense more. only country in europe with a decent military is the UK, frick the rest of those slimey fricks.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:16 am to GetCocky11
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Outside of sanctions, what would you want the US to do?
If you think I’m advocating for US involvement in a war in Ukraine then you haven’t been paying attention. I’ve been saying the exact opposite. So take your down vote and shove it up your arse.
What I said in that post is that the situation that’s arisen in Ukraine is a direct result in Russia viewing the US as having weak, ineffective leadership. If the Russians viewed the US as having decisive leadership there would be no buildup on the border between Russia and Ukraine. We would not be having this conversation.
If you have even a passing knowledge of history, you also know that it isn’t strength that leads to wars, it’s apparent weakness that makes wars more likely.
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 9:18 am
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:18 am to Darth_Vader
Mean tweets.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:18 am to Darth_Vader
Putin isn't going to invade Ukraine this time around. This is a test.
We will see in a year or two.
We will see in a year or two.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:21 am to squid_hunt
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I gotta be honest, this whole Russia/Ukraine thing feels very manufactured. I'm not saying it's not going to happen. It just seems like it's choreographed and being slow-walked to make it seem more plausible and build tension, but ultimately comes off as fake and rehearsed.
Well, our blithering idiot of a president did just tell Russia the world (ie the US) wouldn’t intervene unless it was a large military operation, so you can bet your arse something would happen.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:22 am to Fun Bunch
It won’t be full scale invasion, but he will incrementally take piece by piece until he’s gotten what he wants.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:22 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Well, our blithering idiot of a president did just tell Russia the world (ie the US) wouldn’t intervene unless it was a large military operation, so you can bet your arse something would happen.
My point is the ENTIRE operation stinks.
Remember how Putin annexed Crimea? He just walked in one day while everyone watched, scratching their head. This has the same feel. And I'm not entirely sure he isn't doing it with U.S. approval despite the administration's flop and twitch.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
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Putin isn't going to invade Ukraine this time around. This is a test.
We will see in a year or two.
Well, I also have by doubts. See my post above about the coming Rasputitsa. If he is going to invade, he has a short window to do so before offensive operations become very difficult, perhaps even impossible in certain areas. That’s why I think the next week or two are pivotal. If he’s going to move, it will be in that timeframe. If the next two weeks go by without an invasion, he won’t have another window until at least June, perhaps July.
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