re: Return to office / employees quitting

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But it also frankly pisses me off when people are WFH and have interruptions from kids, deliveries, etc. My time is valuable, and having a 2 year old constantly banging on your bedroom door when you are trying to sell me your platform is absurd.

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Those would be some valid complaints if office culture hadn't spent the last 3 decades forcing us all into cubicles and open offices under the lie that it would promote collaboration.

If you work in a cube farm, your company wants you to be too distracted to work effectively. That's the only logical explanation.

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I'm in my 30s...

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Physically (I always get a kick out of people that come back with their age when someone describes them as a boomer).

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I'm sorry that I don't find it acceptable to have a pre scheduled meeting interrupted.

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Interruptions happen. It's called life.

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I can't remember the last time a sales guy or consultant brought their kid to a meeting in person.

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You have a real hang up about kids interrupting meetings. Does this really happen that often?

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But WFH also isn't an excuse to throw certain levels of professionalism out the window.

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Again, does this really happen that often?

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I have one software integration lady that has a cat in her room every phone call the past couple of weeks.

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You have a problem with someone having a cat in the room with them during a meeting?

I think there is something to the fact that there's less professionalism in work from home in the sense that the vast majority of people aren't getting into full work clothes or maybe start work a few minutes later than if they had to go into the office. Is that necessarily a bad thing?

So long as the job is getting done effectively, I don't think so.

Funny this thread popped up again as my PM called me not 30 min ago and asked if I was going to the office for pizza. I said no and he said me too

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You’ve made some good points, but most of the workers bitching about WFH still don’t seem to understand that they have no leverage cause they simply aren’t that valuable. Valuable employees will always be able to negotiate for what they want. The rest just have to suck it up and do as they’re told. Trouble is, most people think they’re More valuable than they are. Good luck to them with their demands.

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Last time I checked, companies were outsourcing jobs before WFH was popular.

Second, why is WFH more cemented in industries such as IT, engineering, and etc then? A remote worker can be hired from anywhere in the country while sticking to an office means you have to stick to local talent or relocate someone.

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Eventually the full-time WFH crowd, at least in my industry, will get frustrated by lack of promotions.

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This is another entire idea that is on its way out the door. You don’t advance your career and salary by kissing some middle manager’s arse anymore. You do it by changing jobs. If you stay longer than 3-4 years, you’re obviously content exactly where you are, and they know that, so you’re not getting anything from them.

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A lot of the guys boasting about it are in IT or engineering where they are in front of a computer and have 15 years of experience where the office doesn't give them much benefit. Absolutely, I agree to that.

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for sure. I think it’s safe to say people who fit this description are overrepresented on this board

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I'm currently in my usual Thursday routine of sitting at my desk in my home office in shorts and a tshirt, not even showered yet because I'm going to do some yard work here in a bit after I wrap some stuff up.

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Sounds like me most days (I am mowing in about an hour)

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Then again I also sat down at my desk at seven this morning, and haven't had lunch yet.

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I'm usually at my desk at 6am, but I collaborate with a team on the other side of the world.

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Which is the benefit of WFH....the flexibility.

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Agree, never going back to an office.

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That tells you all you need to know about him…. Im not even a cat person, but i wouldnt care.. sometimes my dog is on camera behind me , no one seems to care and sometimes people get a kick out of it.. of course if he were to ever cause a distraction, id simply click the camera off for maybe 20 seconds and put him out of the room.. oh, the horror of interrupting a call for 20 seconds !!! Though it hasn’t happened yet…

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FWIW the cat is on her desk and constantly walking in front of her while she is doing a video call. Do I think its a major issue? No. But again, why? Its a cat, lock it in your damn bathroom during your 4 calls a day.

Again, I'm moderate as can be on this. I think its great when its great. I just think a lot of people take advantage of it and push the extremes when its completely unnecessary.

I also think that those that are able to do it and boast about it are a vocal minority and the way its discussed its like every industry and employee can do it.