re: Reason: CDC Antibody Studies Confirm Huge Gap Between COVID-19 Infections and Known Cases

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If the protests were behind the large surges, it would stand to reason that states in the northeast would just be skyrocketing right now since they usually had much larger protests and over a lot more days.

They really haven't had large increases even though most were also undergoing their main re-openings at the same time with the notable exception of bars and larger gatherings.

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The places you are talking about have had their spikes, which happened before the protests. A place like NYC with 30% or so already having been infected is not going to be impacted by the protests as much. A lot of things are at work, but people who think the protest weren't a major factor in the spike are in complete denial.

nope. no clubs just protested for blm. the people in clubs I don't gel with. they want reparations and the world to burn. very sad ppl

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Doesnt it need around 5 minutes outside to kill it off?

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Studies vary, slightly... but 5 minutes vs not at all is a striking difference. Especially if you're doing any level social distancing on top of it.

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but 5 minutes vs not at all

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Well that isn't true.

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Are we just going to ignore the protests and blame bars instead?

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yes. (Don't forget the huge gathering to bury G. Floyd)


and you are a racist for pointing this out.

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important that masks are worn at home than in public.

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unlikely to be the norm.
if you live with someone who is vulnerable, and you care, then you dont go to bars.

I see people saying the protests aren't as much of a culprit because they are outside, but didn't NOLA get hammered by C19 because of Mardi Gras? Isn't that held outside? Or are we to assume the spread at MG was due to indoor related activities associated with MG (hotels, balls, parties)?

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I mean you are wrong.

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Literally every single variable tilts the scales toward bars spreading viruses more easily than outdoor protests. More total people are going to bars vs protesting. They are in closer proximity in bars vs outdoors. The air is contained in bars vs dispersing outdoors. Bars are filled with touchable surfaces vs very few outdoors. No sunlight indoors.


It's like you aren't even trying to understand. I mean you tried to compare protesters touching a statue to patrons touching a bar. There are maybe dozens of statues that have been torn down by protesters, surely no more than hundreds of them touched by many people. And you think that levels the playing field vs tens of thousands of bartops?


Again, this is not to say that the protests are not or have not contributed to a spike in cases. It should just be obvious that bars, in particular, being open creates many, many more cases than outdoor events.

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ETA: There is a reason the NY Governor doesn’t want protestors to participate in contact tracing. They are afraid of the results.

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Complete misrepresentation of the truth, otherwise known as a lie. Protesters absolutely can and will "participate" in the tracing, they just won't be asked specificially if they were involved in a protest. They can volunteer that information, and it will be recorded and used if they do. Further, such information is nothing to be "afraid of" if the aim is to hide the impact of the protests. The impact on case numbers will be evident regardless. You just aren't thinking this through. You are emotional.

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ETA 2: Many places weren’t even fully opened yet when protests started, so your theory about there being more people in bars, is entirely wrong

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Just as an anecdotal example, my town had one protest march of about 100 people. One day, for a couple hours. 100 people, and most of them were wearing masks. Outdoors.

For comparison, one bar in my town can get more action than that in just one night, and we have several bars and they've been open for many days. The possible transmission events are not even in the same universe. The majority of the country is more like my town than like the major protest cities.



Again, you have some emotional attachment here that is clouding your judgment. You seem to be focused only on the number of people participating in the largest of protest events, without regard to any of the factors that actually impact infection rates.

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It's like you aren't even trying to understand. I mean you tried to compare protesters touching a statue to patrons touching a bar. There are maybe dozens of statues that have been torn down by protesters, surely no more than hundreds of them touched by many people. And you think that levels the playing field vs tens of thousands of bartops?

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Right, I’m the one not trying to understand?

Surfaces can be wiped every few minutes. It’s like you are assuming “bars” means reggies on a Saturday night after an LSU game

Again, your argument is based on theories that sound good to you

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Right, I’m the one not trying to understand?

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Correct.

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Surfaces can be wiped every few minutes.

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I'm sure they are.

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It’s like you are assuming “bars” means reggies on a Saturday night after an LSU game

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It's like you're assuming "nationwide protests" means every town big and small has thousands of people hugging one another in the streets. It just ain't happening.

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Again, your argument is based on theories that sound good to you

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And yours?

Mine sounds a hell of a lot better than yours. You don't seem to be grasping just how much bigger "outside" is than the inside of a bar, and how that impacts the concentration of virus particles and how much people are exposed to them.