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re: Reason: CDC Antibody Studies Confirm Huge Gap Between COVID-19 Infections and Known Cases
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:19 pm to Penrod
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:19 pm to Penrod
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Of course protests were a contributing factor, but you’re being unrealistic if you think that is on the same order of magnitude as the bar scene.
Yeah, that protests were outside and a lot of people wearing masks probably mitigated a lot of spreading.
If the protests were behind the large surges, it would stand to reason that states in the northeast would just be skyrocketing right now since they usually had much larger protests and over a lot more days.
They really haven't had large increases even though most were also undergoing their main re-openings at the same time with the notable exception of bars and larger gatherings.
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:21 pm to Klark Kent
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of course you believe protestors aren’t the cause for the spike in cases
Link to where I said they aren't a cause? I'll wait.
But do I think bars being open creates more cases than protests? Absolutely. Just on sheer numbers alone, the number of people going to bars, even at 25% capacity or whatever, is likely an order of magnitude higher than the number of people protesting. On top of that, the closed environment of a bar creates probably another order of magnitude greater number of potential contamination events per person. It's just not even close.
Still, I personally do not believe we should have shut anything down at all.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 10:30 pm to Korkstand
Florida is going on total lockdown again. Protests? Bars? Restaurants? Beaches?
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
I said this months ago, if you want to know actual rate of infection take the known death rate or 125,000 and divide by 1/2 percentage point or .005 and that will get you 25 million. (We used to think it was 1% but know it’s less now)
At least 200-300k will die here per the models assuming we can a vaccine into production this year, if not many more. It’s a virus, most people don’t even understand what that it. It a living creature of sorts, the longer it hangs around the smarter, stronger, more deadly it’s likely to become.
At least 200-300k will die here per the models assuming we can a vaccine into production this year, if not many more. It’s a virus, most people don’t even understand what that it. It a living creature of sorts, the longer it hangs around the smarter, stronger, more deadly it’s likely to become.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:06 pm to TutHillTiger
quote:While hanging around longer might make it "more deadly" simply by virtue of eventually infecting more people and thus killing more, on a per-case basis viruses tend to mutate to less deadly variants the longer they hang around.
It’s a virus, most people don’t even understand what that it. It a living creature of sorts, the longer it hangs around the smarter, stronger, more deadly it’s likely to become.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:06 pm to TutHillTiger
I heard today 10M infected, 500K dead.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:12 pm to WaydownSouth
quote:Where did you go? I am anxious to read what you have to say next.
WaydownSouth
I probably shouldn't call you dumb, though. It seems clear that you have some sort of emotional mental block on this issue preventing you from accepting the obviousness of the truth, so I should give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not usually this dumb.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ppl keep denying how fast this is spreading
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
it probably is. indoor transmission is a lot more common than outdoor
and there were a lot more people in bars than protesting
And then the obvious factor is people frequenting multiple bars
If people just stuck to their regular favorite bar it would really reduce transmission
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:17 am to Korkstand
I mean you are wrong. You can believe what you want to believe. No sense in continuing to argue.
ETA: There is a reason the NY Governor doesn’t want protestors to participate in contact tracing. They are afraid of the results.
ETA 2: Many places weren’t even fully opened yet when protests started, so your theory about there being more people in bars, is entirely wrong
ETA: There is a reason the NY Governor doesn’t want protestors to participate in contact tracing. They are afraid of the results.
ETA 2: Many places weren’t even fully opened yet when protests started, so your theory about there being more people in bars, is entirely wrong
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 7:31 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:18 am to LSU JURSIT
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Ppl keep denying how fast this is spreading
i don't think that's entirely accurate
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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and there were a lot more people in bars than protesting
The bars never even opened in Palm Beach country and we spiked.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:31 am to tigerpimpbot
I find it amazing that hardly anyone is saying on TV that this spike has anything to do with the protests.
I even said as the protests started “let’s see in a couple weeks if we get a spike in cases among young people” and lo and behold, a couple weeks later we get a spike among young people.
That obviously doesn’t prove that the protests are to blame or that there isn’t more than one cause, but the timing fits perfectly.
I even said as the protests started “let’s see in a couple weeks if we get a spike in cases among young people” and lo and behold, a couple weeks later we get a spike among young people.
That obviously doesn’t prove that the protests are to blame or that there isn’t more than one cause, but the timing fits perfectly.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 7:32 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:37 am to PrimeTime Money
saying protests not contributing to spike is completely irresponsible and I protested 3x. mask everytime btw so don't even start
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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The onus for preventing contact between potential carriers and high-risk individuals seems to be shifting, fairly or not, from the first group to the second.
This is completely fair
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:40 am to Mr Perfect
What were you protesting?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:40 am to Mr Perfect
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saying protests not contributing to spike is completely irresponsible
yeah
it ALL contributes
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:41 am to WaydownSouth
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Lmao. Shut the frick up. You cannot possibly believe that 100 people going to a bar is worse than 1000 people congregated in the streets.
How much UV light exposure does this virus experience in a bar vs outside?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:43 am to MoarKilometers
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How much UV light exposure does this virus experience in a bar vs outside?
Doesnt it need around 5 minutes outside to kill it off?
Distance is the biggest way to stop transmission.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 7:44 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
blm protests in Nola. no worries dude I'm not in the take em down Nola club
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