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Reason: CDC Antibody Studies Confirm Huge Gap Between COVID-19 Infections and Known Cases

Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:51 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:51 pm
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Newly published antibody test results from half a dozen parts of the country confirm that COVID-19 infections in the United States far outnumber confirmed cases. The ratio of estimated infections to known cases in these studies, which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported on Friday, range from 6 to 1 in Connecticut as of early May to 24 to 1 in Missouri as of late April.

These results confirm something we already knew: The COVID-19 infection fatality rate—deaths as a share of all infections—is much lower than the crude case fatality rate—deaths as a share of known cases. That is bound to be true when testing is limited and a virus typically produces mild or no symptoms. At the same time, the CDC's antibody studies imply that efforts to control the epidemic through testing, isolation, quarantine, and contact tracing will not be very effective, since they reach only a small percentage of virus carriers.


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Since neither contact tracing nor a vaccine is likely to save high-risk Texans, the ultimate death toll will depend largely on precautions aimed at protecting them. Gov. Greg Abbott has responded to the new wave of infections, which he says is driven largely by young people who have been getting together for drinks in close proximity, by closing bars. But if young Texans are increasingly disinclined to follow social distancing rules, that step may not accomplish much. They can still get together in private, and their risk of exposure will in any case be higher as they return to work. Nor can those people, whose own risk of dying from COVID-19 is very low, necessarily be counted on to avoid contact with Texans who are much more vulnerable to the disease.

The onus for preventing contact between potential carriers and high-risk individuals seems to be shifting, fairly or not, from the first group to the second. Minimizing COVID-19 deaths will require adapting to that reality.


This echoes what I was saying earlier today. It seems to be much more important that masks are worn at home than in public.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:53 pm to
I wear masks around my elderly relatives. Been doing this for months.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
16043 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:56 pm to
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Gov. Greg Abbott has responded to the new wave of infections, which he says is driven largely by young people who have been getting together for drinks in close proximity, by closing bars. But if young Texans are increasingly disinclined to follow social distancing rules, that step may not accomplish much.

Are we just going to ignore the protests and blame bars instead?
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85944 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:57 pm to
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range from 6 to 1 in Connecticut as of early May to 24 to 1 in Missouri as of late April.


So do they say the estimated total US count up to this point? I had read somewhere, think it was the Penn State study that they estimate about 40m American have had it through the end of May
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 6:58 pm
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 6:58 pm to
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It seems to be much more important that masks are worn at home than in public.


I've worn masks when visiting my wife's grandparents.

Its weird wearing a mask at a place where you are typically as comfortable and relaxed as you can get, but I get it.

Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52928 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:03 pm to
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I wear masks around my elderly relatives. Been doing this for months.

We just pull up the driveway and put the kids in the bed of truck.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125159 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:12 pm to
Your kids, right?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:13 pm to
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I wear masks around my elderly relatives. Been doing this for months.


We just sit outside when I visit my parents or other older relatives
Posted by tBacon
Member since Dec 2012
226 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:15 pm to
Everyone should check their white covid priveledge.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52928 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:17 pm to
Some of them are probably
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:17 pm to
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Are we just going to ignore the protests and blame bars instead?

Of course protests were a contributing factor, but you’re being unrealistic if you think that is on the same order of magnitude as the bar scene.
Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
5937 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:17 pm to
Dirty motherfricks should clean their houses more often and leave some doors or windows open from time to time..
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36777 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:18 pm to
How many statues do we need to tear down in order to defeat COVID?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6541 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:18 pm to
COVID probably started nearly 12 months ago In the US they just didn’t know what it was/thought it was a weird flu. Of course many more people have antibodies than what they started tracking like 4 months ago.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
11360 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:22 pm to
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Of course protests were a contributing factor, but you’re being unrealistic if you think that is on the same order of magnitude as the bar scene.


Lmao. Shut the frick up. You cannot possibly believe that 100 people going to a bar is worse than 1000 people congregated in the streets.
Posted by Mr Perfect
Member since Mar 2010
17836 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:25 pm to
very good article my guy..I wear mask around my gramps. also negative antibody test for me
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481251 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:25 pm to
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You cannot possibly believe that 100 people going to a bar is worse than 1000 people congregated in the streets.

it probably is. indoor transmission is a lot more common than outdoor

and there were a lot more people in bars than protesting
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481251 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:26 pm to
i am supposed to go see my family in TX next weekend but i think i am going to have to cancel
Posted by Squedunk
Texas Hill Country
Member since Jun 2008
945 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:27 pm to
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Are we just going to ignore the protests and blame bars instead?


Yes, according to coward governor Abbot.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:27 pm to
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You cannot possibly believe that 100 people going to a bar is worse than 1000 people congregated in the streets.



Everything I've read is that indoor transmission is worse than outdoor. The protests definitely contributed to the spread of the virus, but packed bars is a recipe for a super spreader event.
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