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Questions on PTSD on prior War Veterans: Was it similar to current times or just not...
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:39 pm
..covered due to lack of technology?
In WW2, it was called shell-shock. Veterans (and there were a lot more after WW2) came home harboring the nightmares of war. From what I've read, trench warfare was much worse than today's fighting. Did it not get the coverage like PTSD today because of the lack of technology to actually cover it? Most people didn't have phones in the 40s.
Were there this many former war vets snapping and killing civilians similar to the Marine in the latest shooting? ..or can you even compare it due to the lack of reporting during the 40s and 50s?
In WW2, it was called shell-shock. Veterans (and there were a lot more after WW2) came home harboring the nightmares of war. From what I've read, trench warfare was much worse than today's fighting. Did it not get the coverage like PTSD today because of the lack of technology to actually cover it? Most people didn't have phones in the 40s.
Were there this many former war vets snapping and killing civilians similar to the Marine in the latest shooting? ..or can you even compare it due to the lack of reporting during the 40s and 50s?
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:40 pm to Captain Ron
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trench warfare
That's WWI
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:44 pm to Captain Ron
My pops tells stories of how they used to throw a pack of black cats under the beds of vets who had just returned from Vietnam when he was in college. 
Different times I suppose.
Different times I suppose.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:48 pm to Captain Ron
Interesting article on whether ancient Roman soldiers suffered PTSD LINK
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:48 pm to Displaced
This thread is dumb and your dad sounds like a real classy guy.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:54 pm to Captain Ron
We covered this topic in my military history class in college. In WWII most soldiers had a month to two months before they made it home when they were discharged. This gave them a time to decompress and talk to other soldiers who had been through the same thing.
Fast forward to Vietnam and those soldiers were discharged and back home with in 36 hours with no time to decompress. Today's soldiers from what I understand are the same way in many cases.
My Wife's step dad was in Nam and he still has nightmares and can rarely talk about it. He said when he got home off the plain he went and purchased new clothes and got rid of his army uniform because he was scared to get jumped. He landed in Washington state.
He worked with special forces units and spent most of his time in Laos and Cambodia, you know the places we weren't supposed to be plus he played a big part in the investigation and arrest with the My Lai massacre so I can only imagine what he has seen.
Fast forward to Vietnam and those soldiers were discharged and back home with in 36 hours with no time to decompress. Today's soldiers from what I understand are the same way in many cases.
My Wife's step dad was in Nam and he still has nightmares and can rarely talk about it. He said when he got home off the plain he went and purchased new clothes and got rid of his army uniform because he was scared to get jumped. He landed in Washington state.
He worked with special forces units and spent most of his time in Laos and Cambodia, you know the places we weren't supposed to be plus he played a big part in the investigation and arrest with the My Lai massacre so I can only imagine what he has seen.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:56 pm to Captain Ron
Yes it's been around since combat has been around.
Just called different things.
After the Civil War it was called "Soldier's Heart"
I recently read a couple of books on what happened when soldiers returned from the Civil War and they both discuss the high alcoholism, violence and suicide rates from returning soldiers. It stems from everything to suddenly not having the camaraderie you had for months or even years while on campaign or in the service, and to actual ptsd from combat itself.
Here's a link to those books if anyone is interested in Civil War history and PTSD
Marching Home: Union Veterans and Their Unending Civil War
Sing Not War: Civil War Veterans in Guilded Age America
Just called different things.
After the Civil War it was called "Soldier's Heart"
I recently read a couple of books on what happened when soldiers returned from the Civil War and they both discuss the high alcoholism, violence and suicide rates from returning soldiers. It stems from everything to suddenly not having the camaraderie you had for months or even years while on campaign or in the service, and to actual ptsd from combat itself.
Here's a link to those books if anyone is interested in Civil War history and PTSD
Marching Home: Union Veterans and Their Unending Civil War
Sing Not War: Civil War Veterans in Guilded Age America
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:08 pm to Captain Ron
Brain injuries have been tied to PTSD.
Those injuries have become increasingly common over the last hundred years.
Those injuries have become increasingly common over the last hundred years.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:12 pm to Captain Ron
quote:
Questions on PTSD on prior War Veterans: Was it similar to current times or just not...
I know a WWII vet shot up a street in NJ in the late 1940's with a Luger. Killed 13 people i think.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:32 pm to Captain Ron
Well, they actually had asylums back then for those that were really bad.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:55 pm to Captain Ron
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trench warfare was much worse than today's fighting
WWI not WWII... and the trench warfare in WWI was some of the worst horrors imaginable. I don't see how anyone could have come home from that shite not at least a little fricked in the head.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:57 pm to Captain Ron
Yes, they had it. They beat the shite out of their wives and nobody did anything about it.
If they went too loopy in town they threw them in the nuthouse, because it was easier to do that back then. State insane asylums like Pineville, Whitfield, Bryce, and Chattahoochie used have like 3-4,000 people stored in there.
If they went too loopy in town they threw them in the nuthouse, because it was easier to do that back then. State insane asylums like Pineville, Whitfield, Bryce, and Chattahoochie used have like 3-4,000 people stored in there.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:58 pm to bbvdd
2 generations have only known them from Batman and movies.
A lot was handled in that system. Not always in the right way. But veteran homes used to also exist for more than just retirees and infirm.
Shell Shock, combat fatigue, PTSD all the same thing. You put a bunch of kids into it, the explosions, the crack of guns, the smells, the injuries, the death and you frick em up.
One of the saddest things about the end of WWII and the wind down is we had a good system with or without meaning too as we shifted to peace time. And we've fricked that up.
As above in WWII our boys came back after months, spending time with their units.
Nam on your own nowadays on your own or put into support groups with strangers that may have been in the same war but not same situation that eats you.
A lot was handled in that system. Not always in the right way. But veteran homes used to also exist for more than just retirees and infirm.
Shell Shock, combat fatigue, PTSD all the same thing. You put a bunch of kids into it, the explosions, the crack of guns, the smells, the injuries, the death and you frick em up.
One of the saddest things about the end of WWII and the wind down is we had a good system with or without meaning too as we shifted to peace time. And we've fricked that up.
As above in WWII our boys came back after months, spending time with their units.
Nam on your own nowadays on your own or put into support groups with strangers that may have been in the same war but not same situation that eats you.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 4:06 pm to Jim Rockford
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Interesting article on whether ancient Roman soldiers suffered PTSD
Soldiers back them were made of sterner stuff. Killing your opponent up close, by hand, looking them in the eye, feeling the resistance and the give as your blade as it plunged past leather and armor, biting into bare flesh.
The warm gout of blood that spurted forth from the wound. The sticky red wetness that coated you.
Not quite the constant concussions of the artillery bombardment, but a horror of its own.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 4:09 pm to fr33manator
Roman at canne or French at verdun 
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:12 pm to Captain Ron
1. There was a lack of awareness and the lack of diagnostic criteria. This is similar to how there’s probably not any more true cases of ADHD today but now it’s just so easy to diagnose and subsequently turn a “disobedient” kid into a zombie.
However,
2. Those were very DI fferent times. Men were much more mature at 18-22 back then thus decreasing the chances of similar situations being traumatizing. Plus children were much more exposed to fighting, assaults, lynchings. The world was crueler from the get go.
All of that contributes to the increased prevalence today.
However,
2. Those were very DI fferent times. Men were much more mature at 18-22 back then thus decreasing the chances of similar situations being traumatizing. Plus children were much more exposed to fighting, assaults, lynchings. The world was crueler from the get go.
All of that contributes to the increased prevalence today.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:47 pm to Captain Ron
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:49 pm to Captain Ron
Back in ww2 they didn’t have cod to prepare them for war so it was probably way worse
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:53 pm to theantiquetiger
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trench warfare
That's WWI
So is "shell shock". I think it was "battle fatigue" in WWII
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 5:54 pm to Lima Whiskey
I think you’re exactly right. I bet they have CTE from all of the artillery. Need some of them to donate their brains for study.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 7:32 pm
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