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re: Private Jet Owned by Former NASCAR Driver Greg Biffle Crashes in North Carolina.

Posted on 12/23/25 at 1:08 am to
Posted by Lou Loomis
A pond. Ponds good for you.
Member since Mar 2025
1962 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 1:08 am to
quote:

Lexi’s dad


You settle down yet Beavis? Don’t make me downvote you! My finger is hovering over the arrow!
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
15195 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 6:05 am to
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We had a B-52 flyover at a UK football game and they came from Barksdale!


So how long would it take to get somewhere in the UK from Barksdale?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24206 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 7:07 am to
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Biffle discussion starts at 11:30 Opinion on cause. Blames pilot for decision to return.


Dang. Very experienced Delta Pilot error possibly, video basically says it sounds and looks like just a single engine problem on a twin engine plane that can barely fly on the single engine. The crash was likely a stall due to the plane not being able to fly with flaps and landing gear on one engine that was likely not realized until too late.

I guess the suggestion was going to a bigger airport with a longer runway they could have just not used flaps to land faster?
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
2344 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 8:05 am to
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Lots of the major airlines use old jets.

Find a single example of a 45 year old jet in commercial passenger service.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15297 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 8:14 am to
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Find a single example of a 45 year old jet in commercial passenger service.


Here ya go.

LINK
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
92260 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 10:02 am to
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frick no. Military pilots are easily among the worst when it comes to lacking flight hours. Their standards for safety and aviation experience are extremely low compared to airline pilots. Most of them are amateurs at best.



quite possibly the most stupid most ever made, on any board
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51709 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 12:38 pm to
This was posted on X by NASCAR legend Mark Martin, who was a teammate of Biffle at Roush Racing for many years.
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Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10522 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 8:18 pm to
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That’s the minimum requirement for applying. Competitive applicants will need much more than that for the legacy airlines.


You said “ None of the big airlines would even consider applicants unless they have at least 5,000+ hours logged.”

That is false. The reason I know this is because I texted a guy I know named Glen Hauenstein who happened to have attended Auburn University a long time ago. He said that Delta has in fact hired guys with a little over 1500 hours of flight time although with strong turbine PIC time.This guy knows a little about the hiring practices of Delta Airlines.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Member since Nov 2019
14232 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 8:41 pm to
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You don’t hear about Coke or Walmart or Exxon jets crashing because they follow airline like procedures.



My great aunt's husband once crashed the RC Cola jet and died. It happened within 15 minutes of the Marshall plane crash and in the same thunderstorm.
This post was edited on 12/23/25 at 8:42 pm
Posted by TSmith
New Orleans, La.
Member since Jan 2004
2344 posts
Posted on 12/23/25 at 10:29 pm to
Thanks for pointing out these cargo planes.

Now try again and find the oldest passenger jet service currently operated by a US carrier.
This post was edited on 12/23/25 at 10:32 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34512 posts
Posted on 12/24/25 at 6:05 am to
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Now try again and find the oldest passenger jet service currently operated by a US carrier.


From chatgpt

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Among the large U.S. airlines, the oldest aircraft in scheduled passenger fleets tend to be Boeing 767-300ERs delivered in 1991 (e.g., United’s N641UA), making them about 33+ years old.

Posted by FOBW
N.O.
Member since Sep 2016
471 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:11 pm to
Preliminary report.

LINK
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
2819 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:33 pm to
Wild that they lost voice recorder during the critical moments before the crash.

Sounded like they were trying to diagnose an issue but unclear what they were talking about. Sounds like some sort of problem with electrical power.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17714 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:36 pm to
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During takeoff roll, the rear passenger commented Page 1 of 8 WPR26MA063 This information is preliminary and subject to change. that the left engine was producing more power than the right and indicated there may have been a faulty gauge. The pilot continued the takeoff.


Anyone know how common this is? Un even thrust prior to V1. Curious what the more experienced pilots on here would think
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
2819 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:46 pm to
Would contaminated fuel cause uneven thrust here or would have it affected both engines at the same time?
Posted by Btrtigerfan
Disgruntled employee
Member since Dec 2007
24005 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:00 pm to
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Sounds like some sort of problem with electrical power.


I concur. It leans that way. Loss of instrumentation and critical system signaling makes for a bad "fly by wire," combination.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74245 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 9:29 pm to
I read the PIC had his son as copilot. He had 175 hours private and wasn't certified on craft. But sure if that's a factor but pretty sure that plane requires two certified pilots to fly passengers.
Posted by SWLA92
SWLA
Member since Feb 2015
5051 posts
Posted on 1/31/26 at 12:09 am to
That’s what I gathered. They had to jumpstart the engines a couple times. It seems like that caused them to have electrical failure because the generator lost power on board.
Posted by H2O Tiger
Delta Sky Club
Member since May 2021
7954 posts
Posted on 1/31/26 at 12:17 am to
The PIC wasn't legal either. Just like the crash of the Texas booster plane in Maine this week, gotta-get-there-itis got them.

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Pilot Experience:
The pilot had type ratings for the A-320, A-330, A-350, B-737, B-757, B-767, CE-500, and DC-10. As part of the pilot’s CE-500 type rating, he had the limitation “CE-500 Second in Command Required.” The pilot reported civil flight experience that included 17,000 total and 400 hours in the last six months as of his last first-class medical application dated April 29, 2025.

Review of the right-seat passenger’s logbook indicated that he had 175.3 total flight hours in single engine land airplanes as of November 29, 2025. The right seat passenger’s most recent first-class medical certificate was issued on August 12, 2024. The right seat passenger was not qualified to perform second in command duties per Title 14 CFR part 61.55.

The rear passenger reported civil flight experience that included 3,500 total and 65 hours in last six months as of his last medical application dated February 21, 2025. He was issued a second-class medical certificate without limitation.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
2184 posts
Posted on 1/31/26 at 11:03 am to
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That’s what I gathered. They had to jumpstart the engines a couple times. It seems like that caused them to have electrical failure because the generator lost power on board.


OR as has been speculated, they simply forgot to turn on the generators and were flying battery power until the battery ran out. then figured out the issue.
Still don't know why they tried to return to the airfield. or the unstable approach.
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